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Dean Blake from Australia is reading generationend.com December 4, 2011 - 5:04am

I often write from the perspective of young adults. I don't know about America, but here where I live in Australia, I've noticed that a lot of kids have started to literally say "LOL" instead of actually laughing. They don't laugh anymore - they merely say "Lawl". 

I like to keep my dialogue as relevant as possible, but am I being too conservative when I say that using "Lawl" when writing conversations should never, ever be done by anyone? LOLOLOOOOL.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce December 4, 2011 - 5:17am

definately not to LOL. It's stupid, and arrogant. What's more, MDR is better than LOL.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 5:33am

I think writing in text should be left to texting, unless you're character is sending a text. However, it may be relevant since you're writing YA and this is how the kids talk. I stay away from using 'text speak' in my writing because if something's funny and I want my character to laugh, he'll laugh. And, like Typwriter, I think it's stupid and arrogant and suggests a lack of intelligence. I use text speak in my texts because it's a hell of lot quicker to type LOL then laugh out loud. But, I hear kids in the malls talking like this and it makes me cringe. They'll say, 'delish' instead of 'delicious.' Is it so hard to add that extra syllable? Really, in the end, it's up to your descretion and who your target audience is.

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Fylh from from from is reading is from is reading is reading is reading reading is reading December 4, 2011 - 5:38am

I agree it's stupid, but arrogant? How is is arrogant?

Anyway, yeah, I wouldn't do it.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 4, 2011 - 5:51am

I write lol all the time online as well because it's easier than saying hhahahahhahahhaha.  That might come off as pretentious but writing online to me is almost the same as texting sometimes.  Although I do know people who get pissed off at me in email when i wrote in lowercaps or don't write properly but I write formally for school all the time with 20 page papers in APA format so I get sick of all the formalities sometimes and just want to type willy-nilly; especially if I'm writing an email by phone.  Although I do know I have issues with grammer in my fiction writing sometimes which I have no excuse for.  As for actually saying the words "LOL" in public or in casual conversation.  It's tacky.  I've seen kids do it, hell, I've seen a 40 year old woman do it but that's because she wants to pretend she's 15.  Although I suppose if you were being realistic to modern day youth in a young adult story, you might have a character say it.  For instance, I've written teens in my stories and I will write them brutally honest, I know that guys cuss a lot and girls talk shit and people say rude and mean things in real life.  It doesn't mean I talk that way but I feel it's important to be realistic rather than have a conversation in a story come as as false. 

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 4, 2011 - 6:45am

@R Moon - those extra syllables are the bane of the English language - all those contractions don't you're etc... and those syllables we tend to ignore in words like interesting and  Wednesday. As far as "delish", I'm with you  - I cringed reading it, akshully.

I've also heard people say W-T-H - which makes no sense because saying "what the hell" takes far less time than saying "double-you tee aitch". I say use it if it's appropriate, don't if it's not. Also, it is never appropriate. =P

 

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. December 4, 2011 - 7:07am

I would punch some anyone who said "LOL." Thats terrible, they're worse than Nazis in my book because they're probably too stupid to read anything other than a text or the back of a conditioner bottle. It's scary because this is real life shit here too.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 7:24am

@Post: Contractions and leaving off the 'g' with words like 'interesting' I get, but cutting a word damn near in half, that's just stupid and lazy. Knew a girl that would actually say, 'OMG.' It's annoying.

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razorsharp from Ohio is reading Atlas Shrugged December 4, 2011 - 9:10am

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. December 4, 2011 - 9:18am

Larry David is too underrated for modern viewers. They would rather watch... I don't know, what are the kids watching these days? Internet porn probably. Larry David is pure genius. I even found myself mimicing him in a coffee shop. I ordered a latte and went on a rant about a 5 dollar cup of milf and coffee. I mean milk and coffee. (Best typo ever.) I mean what the hell though, LOL and lattes. If Larry David wasn't around to write amazing shows, it would be like the 1984 of dumb asses. No, it would be like Stepford Wives.

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razorsharp from Ohio is reading Atlas Shrugged December 4, 2011 - 9:40am

I find that most people think Curb Your Enthusiasm is stupid if they watch five minutes of it. So most channel flippers never have the patience to discover its awesomeness. But if you get someone to watch an episode - any episode - all the way through, they instantly become fans. Because often times the first 5-10 minutes don't have any jokes at all. They're set-ups for the big joke at the end. Almost every other sit-com I've ever seen starts with a joke - they try to start with something real funny and work with it rather than structure a well made comedy that requires some patience and focus at the beginning. Curb Your Enthusiasm is structured like a well told joke, or a Shakespearean comedy.

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. December 4, 2011 - 9:51am

People dig instant gratification more now I think. They don't mess around with foreplay and you know what?- It's sad. This is the same reason people don't watch The Sopranos or Deadwood. Hell people don't want to see a Shakespearean comedy either so that says it all. People think Curb is stupid because they're the same people who thought Seinfeld was stupid. Stupid people ugh. Not even delayed gratification, why can't they just enjoy the subtle layers of it all mixed with masterful story telling. See also: There Will Be Blood.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 4, 2011 - 9:56am

*imagining Shakespeare saying "LOL".....

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 10:27am

That's awesome!

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 4, 2011 - 10:31am

Alas, poor Yorick!  I knew him, Horatio.  He totally made me LOL allll the time! 

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. December 4, 2011 - 10:33am

They should adapt Shakespear into text message format. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 4, 2011 - 10:39am

Random:  When I was in high school I broke up with a boy because he was dull.  He wrote me a long note trying to win me back.  At the end of it, he said "I know this isn't Shakspeers or anything"  I was so inspired that I took a red pen and edited the whole note and gave it back to him. 

Averydoll: bitch since birth. 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 10:42am

@Avery: Cute story, but I wouldn't chalk it up to being a bitch. You're a writer, it's what we do.

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. December 4, 2011 - 10:45am

When I was in high school I broke up with a boy because he was dull.

 

Haha, did you tell him why you broke up with him?

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 10:48am

All work and weak writing makes boyfriend a dull boy.

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Dean Blake from Australia is reading generationend.com December 4, 2011 - 11:17am

LOL.  So glad people are in agreement with me. My ex-girlfriend used to write ':)' and ':P' and 'LOL' in her letters and notes to everyone. Cheers to the evolution of the English language! :-(

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Nighty Nite from NJ is reading Grimscribe: His Lives and Works December 4, 2011 - 11:34am

I'm taking Shakespeare 1 this quarter. It's my idea of a fun course. One of my papers will be translating Shakespeare into lolspeak, I assure you. Titled: What Lawlz Through Yonder Window Breaks

 

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 4, 2011 - 12:23pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia: two reasons to still believe in comedy.

Haha is not hard to write. Just one extra letter. Plus, people would use "lolololololol" when they can do the same with the other two letters.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 4, 2011 - 1:46pm

@jacks - yes I did.  And to this day he still won't make eye contact with me.  It was more than ten years ago! 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 4, 2011 - 2:21pm

I guess I'll have to stop lol'ing online.  wtf fml.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 4, 2011 - 2:24pm

I've noticed I never type 'lol' online, but I'll say it as if it's one word when I'm actually speaking. I should stop doing that...

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 4, 2011 - 2:32pm

@R Moon - I'm with you - and there's nothing worse than "whatev"

Re: sh@kespe@re: "2 b r not 2 b"

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading Wanderers by Chuck Wendig December 4, 2011 - 4:10pm

That Shakespeare picture is now the background on my laptop. So this thread is alright by me.

 

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin December 4, 2011 - 4:15pm

Saying "lol" aloud is not something that will ever catch on in america. I've been trying to start it since I saw them do it in pure pwnage

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 5:01pm

@Post: Yeah, she said that too. "Like, whatev..." she'd say, then I'd order another drink so I could deal with it.

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 4, 2011 - 5:13pm

I imagine it was a double...

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 4, 2011 - 5:34pm

Yeah... Whiskey, on the rocks.

 

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like December 5, 2011 - 6:36am

I've heard people say "Lol" (sounds like lahl or lawl,) as in, "I went up to the roof of the hotel and danced like a rheumatic cheerleader just for a lol." The first few times I thought "Alal" was some near-eastern name I'd never heard before, and this mystic Alal had some sway over all these twenty-somethings, the power to influence their behavior; they did it all for Alal.

Also "double-you-tee-eff." Needless to say, I've since given up the habit of hanging out with people.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 5, 2011 - 6:46am

I have my own little sayings which people probably find annoying.  My most Valley Girl expression is "I know, right?"

But at least those all count as words.  I'm also guilty of "True enough."  and starting and ending most sentences with "okay". 

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 5, 2011 - 7:23am

in verbal communication it's all about body language and intonation anyway - the words themselves aren't as important (unless you're talking about something technical, like examples of the use of incontinence in the works of Samuel Beckett).

so I just grunt and mumble my way through.

also, yuks > lols

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 5, 2011 - 7:24am

Yeah, I'm good for "I know, right?" or just 'Right."

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 5, 2011 - 7:31am

@ R.Moon - yeah, but that's because we're BFFs.

@postpomo - People I work with tell me I have a "stupid face".  Not that I look stupid, but that I'm looking at poeple as if they are stupid (maybe I look stupid too, not clear).  In which case, yeah, doesn't matter what I'm saying, the message is loud and clear.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 5, 2011 - 7:59am

@Doll: This is true. BFF's think alike.

What's that face the girls were making a year or two ago? Duck face? Pushing out their lips, all weird looking and shit. WTF was up with that?

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 5, 2011 - 8:36am

I've got the eye roll down to a fine art - it precedes brain function and has gotten me into more than one heated tangent.

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. December 5, 2011 - 8:44am

^ This made lawl. 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 5, 2011 - 8:48am

I've got the eye roll down to a fine art - it precedes brain function and has gotten me into more than one heated tangent.

- LOL or Lmao or lmfao or lmmfao or lawl... take your pick.

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 5, 2011 - 12:38pm

Postpomo are you a student of mine? They've also perfected the art of eye-rolling. I respond with an even bigger, inward eye-roll.

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words December 5, 2011 - 1:14pm

ha ha @Liana - I may be a student of yours - I'll never tell. Be careful of inner eye rolling, they'll get stuck like that permanently.