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Joey Eggleton from Alabama is reading Amusing Ourselves to Death May 10, 2012 - 8:42pm

Hey all, it's been a fat minute since I posted here. Don't worry, I wasn't run off by the oddballs, I've simply been a busy bee. I wrote a short story for Writer's Digest's Annual Competition and it was pretty rough. Had to flense the fat and it still didn't fit their 4,000 word limit. Ended up having to cut meat from the bone and perhaps chipped away at that, too. My readers were satisfied with the final product, but I wasn't. If you want to read it, you can find it at http://joeyeggleton.blogspot.com/2012/05/feathers-of-serpent.html. I was wondering if it would be possible to submit the story to a publisher, seeing that I don't even know if it will be published by Writer's Digest. What do you think?

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 10, 2012 - 9:08pm

If you published this on your blog then Writer's Digest probably won't take it. You made it ineligible by jumping the gun.

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Joey Eggleton from Alabama is reading Amusing Ourselves to Death May 11, 2012 - 12:13am

I sent the finished product to them first, but the first draft is on the blog.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 11, 2012 - 5:01am

Yeah, that still counts. If it's public and anyone can see it, then it's considered 'published.' The variations between drafts don't make them different pieces.

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Joey Eggleton from Alabama is reading Amusing Ourselves to Death May 11, 2012 - 8:27am

Well, damn. Okey dokey, thanks for the advice. I'll remember it next time.

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Clutch from Detroit Metro Area now living in Charlotte, NC is reading "The Spooky Art" by Norman Mailer May 11, 2012 - 1:00pm

How about: take it down or simply don't tell anyone it's on your blog.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. May 11, 2012 - 3:58pm

I agree with Clutch. So if we post in the workshop here its published too? I don't buy it.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 11, 2012 - 4:34pm

So if we post in the workshop here its published too? I don't buy it.

 

The workshop isn't public so that wouldn't count.

I really don't know what part of this you're not buying. Most lit mags specifically state that they want 'previously unpublished works' and 'first serial rights.'

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. May 11, 2012 - 4:46pm

Yeah but if he deletes it off his blog, then it was never really published unless someone wants to be a dick and tell a future publisher it was on his website. I don't know, it just seems stupid that would be considered published. I'm not trying to be a dick. Its just in the world of online zines, there is some ambiguity.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 11, 2012 - 4:54pm

No, he could delete it. The only thing that could fuck him is if they looked into it using the cache or if someone ratted on him.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. May 11, 2012 - 4:55pm

If it's put in the public forum, it's published.  If it's on the web and catlogued by google, then it's published.  If it's in a secluded part of the web (such as the workshop), it's not published.  This is a good little guide.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 5:25pm

The workshop isn't public so that wouldn't count.

- Not necessarily true. I've been rejected simply because my story was posted on Cult. Some places do not want your story anywhere, whether it's print, an online e-zine or even just a workshop. I guess they figure that if they charge, say, $15 for their e-zine and the workshop only charges $9 for a month's membership and someone wanted to read it bad enough they could just get the membership.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 11, 2012 - 5:28pm

So you must have told them you had your story in workshop because there's no way anyone should have been able to see that unless they were a paying subscriber.

Which mag was it?  I'm intrigued by their strict policies.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 5:31pm

  If it's on the web and catlogued by google, then it's published.

- Type in the name of any story you've written in Google and you'll find your story on LR. Howie, type in Victims Lit Reactor and it'll pop right up. I'm not sure if this is considered catogued by Google, but I know that if you look hard enough on Google, you'll find it. And, especially if your title is a bit obscure. When I had Harboiled Hell posted here I Googled it and it was the first hit. I think, if you look, it still comes up, but the LR page says it's been removed.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions May 11, 2012 - 5:33pm

This system allows writers to get paid for their work.  I'm not sure why anyone would find it objectionable, or willfully undermine the basic business model of the publications you're eager to appear in.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions May 11, 2012 - 5:36pm

@R.Moon -- I didn't know that.  Good info.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 5:39pm

@Brandon: Nope, didn't tell them. I can't remember what mag it was, it was like a year and half ago. When I sent it out I queried with my real name, no usernames, and when they sent the rejection email, they addressed it to ellistyler which was my username on Cult. It was the only place on the web that I used that name. If i dig hard enough through my emails I may be able to find it.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break May 11, 2012 - 5:43pm

Please tell me this was a paying market.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions May 11, 2012 - 5:44pm

This is important information for all the workshoppers, maybe something LR should address.

 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 5:45pm

Yeah, it was. I forget what they paid though, but I know for certain that they were a paying market. I also know it was both an e-zine and a print magazine and paid royalties.Harboiled is the one story I've written that I want paid for. I'd like the other ones to make some money, but Harboiled is my baby.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 5:47pm

@Matt: I agree. I don't really know how all this works, but that's been my experience. It's also the reason I deleted Hardboiled from here after I finished it.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. May 11, 2012 - 8:22pm

Google and you'll find your story on LR. Howie, type in Victims Lit Reactor and it'll pop right up.

The story doesn't pop up, though.  Only a link to the place where it was workshopped.  It's not considered "published on the web" by anyone that I'm aware of if the text is not accessible by the public.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 11, 2012 - 10:15pm

The story doesn't pop up, though.  Only a link to the place where it was workshopped.  It's not considered "published on the web" by anyone that I'm aware of if the text is not accessible by the public.

- This is true, but what I'm thinking is that if a publisher can find your story, regardless if it's accessible or not to the public, they may reject on the grounds that it's still on the web and if paid, anyone can then access it. Like I said above, I'm familiar with how all this works or if a workshopped story is considered published. I'm just going off of my own experience. When I send a story out for publication, to cover my own ass, I simply take it down from any site it may be on. Better safe than sorry.

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Joey Eggleton from Alabama is reading Amusing Ourselves to Death May 12, 2012 - 7:51am

Oddly, I just Googled Feathers of the Serpent - Joey Eggleton and this topic popped up, but after scrolling through five pages of results, my blog didn't pop up.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. May 12, 2012 - 8:08am

google the first sentence in quotes.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest May 12, 2012 - 8:29am

Huh, first sentence? I'll have to try that.
For your blog, you may have to type in the name of the blog. My advice would be to take the story down from the blog because mentioning your blog in a query can be beneficial. Especially if your blog is gaining readers.