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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 9, 2011 - 11:02am

Rick Perry obviously doesn't want to be president:

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break December 9, 2011 - 11:11am

I don't know why Rick Perry doesn't hire a guy like me to point out all those times he's about to fuck up.  

I'd be like, "Dude, Rick, you just lost the Muslim, Jewish, and atheist vote.  And you also pissed off the 'seperation of church and state' people. Oh, and your get-up is straight out of Brokeback Mountain.  You look like a gay cowboy talking about how gays can't serve in the military.  It's confusing."

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Kirk from Pingree Grove, IL is reading The Book Of The New Sun December 9, 2011 - 11:14am

Brandon, none of those demographics are important to the GOP.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break December 9, 2011 - 11:15am

:(

I know.

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NotMarilyn from Twin Cities, MN is reading Mistress of Rome by Kate Quinn December 9, 2011 - 11:27am

He's an asshat. That is all.

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 9, 2011 - 11:47am

...and then we find out after he actually wins that he's a closet homosexual and his lover is Newt Gingrich.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 9, 2011 - 11:50am

The Jews are.  The GOP needs Jews. 

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NotMarilyn from Twin Cities, MN is reading Mistress of Rome by Kate Quinn December 9, 2011 - 11:55am

@Chester - my similar suspicion regarding his "gays can't be in the military" bit: He doesn't want his marine boyfriend to get hurt.  

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. December 9, 2011 - 11:57am

Oh, I thought it was Katy Perry who was running for president.  

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 9, 2011 - 2:04pm

She'd be a hot president.

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 9, 2011 - 3:04pm

You guys are joking, but being in TX I heard from people "who know someone who personally knows him" that he's actually gay.

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy December 9, 2011 - 6:18pm

Ya know, I liked Perry - until he started talking.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 9, 2011 - 6:40pm

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 9, 2011 - 6:56pm

God fearing vagina penetraters!  Yes. 

You know I was worried about Rick Perry - and then he started talking.

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 9, 2011 - 7:30pm

Hilarious.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated December 11, 2011 - 11:04am

@Brandon & Kirk - The important thing for the GOP isn't so much to get (most) of those groups as voters, as it is to seem neutral. People often vote out of fear, and if those groups are afraid of a candidate they'll turn out to vote against him (or in theory her). If the candidate seems neutral to their interests it hurts the Democrats’ ability to bring out their base.

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EricMBacon from Vermont is reading The Autobiography of a Corpse December 11, 2011 - 2:19pm

It all comes down to who goes out and votes. The country that elected George W. Bush twice because he is a "good Christian" doesn't inspire much confidence. I find it hilarious that it only takes a couple years to forget what the entire last decade was like! Two sticking points for me are that 1) the two (officially) wars and 2) tax breaks for millionaires are responsible for half the defecit. Losing American jobs are responsible for most of the rest, but yeah, blame the president who during his presidency has seen more job creation in one year than all 8 of W's combined; also is shrinking government employment (which I don't really agree with, but people like to claim liberals want big government).

Bottom Line: who we elect always comes down to how informed the voter is before he reaches the booth. I just want Newt Gingrich out of the running; he is just a bad person.

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spence from planet is reading Books December 13, 2011 - 5:08am

People will still vote for Perry regardless.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 13, 2011 - 5:14am

I voted for Kodos.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break December 13, 2011 - 5:27am

Fuck yeah, Simpson's Halloween Special!

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Fylh from from from is reading is from is reading is reading is reading reading is reading December 13, 2011 - 6:09am

The video is a work of art. I don't care how much of a dickhead Rick Perry is, and how catastrophic it would be if he got elected — this is trolling of the highest level.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day December 13, 2011 - 7:32pm

If you guys don't want Ron Paul, please send him up here.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 7:34pm

I would be thrilled if Ron Paul were president. Nick, you can't have him. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 13, 2011 - 7:36pm

Ron Paul scares hell out of me too.  The man wants to legalize heroine.  I mean, there's freedom, and then theres legalizing heroine.  Americans have shown time and time again that with enough freedom we will do the worst possible thing. 

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day December 13, 2011 - 7:39pm

... well, I guess you need him more than we do. No offense.

Anyway, he's the only candidate I find interesting in a non-ironic way, as he was in 2008.  I will cry tears of joy if he wins.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day December 13, 2011 - 7:40pm

... then what's the point of being in Afghanistan?

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 7:46pm

I definitely don't support drug use, but the legalization of heroine isn't the worst idea a politician has come up with. If it were gone about properly, then it could have loads of good consequences. For one, crime rate would go down because the industry would be brought into the light. Also, AIDS can spread through needle sharing: the legalization of heroin would also lower this effect. I could go more in depth in this argument, but I don't have the ability to sight my sources at the moment, so I'll leave it at that. 

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 13, 2011 - 7:48pm

What is wrong with legalizing heroin?

And Phil is right. The video is a tour de force. A masterpiece.

It has set a new standard.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day December 13, 2011 - 7:51pm

Here's a source for ya:  www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

 

 

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 7:52pm

Also, if by some miracle Ron Paul did become president, he would never be able to legalize heroin. It just would never ever ever happen. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 13, 2011 - 7:58pm

The thing is....I don't think he really wants to legalize it so much as he feels like he has to say he wants to.  Does that make sense? 

It's like the whole debacle during the debate with...was it Wolfe Blitzer?  When they asked him if he thought we should just let a man who chose not to get insurance die.  And he clearly did not want to say yes, but there was so much pressure on him to say yes from the audience.  And he had trouble there.  It was bizarre and upsetting.  I think he isn't strong enough for the presidency. It's easy to say you are for everything. 

 

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 8:08pm

Well of course he does really want to legalize heroin: he's a doctor. I believe his point is that if a citizen of the USA wants to sit in the comfort of their home and shoot some heroin, who is he (Ron Paul) to say they're not allowed. Even if he as a person doesn't agree with drug usage, he isn't going to keep someone else, who doesn't have the same world view, under his wing. This issue goes way beyond heroin. If in Alabama a store owner doesn't want black people in his private shop, that's his decision because it's a 'free country'. It is not the governments place to dictate how citizens run their lives. My saying this in no way means I agree with drug use, or segregation. I'm simply making a point. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 13, 2011 - 8:12pm

I understand your point - but I will likely never agree there.  I'm not a small government kinda girl.  I like my regulations and clean air.  But,  I also want to tax the fuck out of cigarettes and chocolate cake.  And alcohol. 

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 8:13pm

We should put extra giant taxes on fast food. America would be debt free overnight! 

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spence from planet is reading Books December 13, 2011 - 8:37pm

I was thinking maybe heroin isn't such a bad idea. If someone wants to be strung out and wreck their life and do nothing, that's fine. It's the uppers that cause most of the problems. Yes, junkies go to extremes to afford their drugs but while they're on the junk, they're pretty harmless. Meth heads and coke whores, on the other hand...That stuff should stay illegal because people go crazy and hyper on it. But weed, heroin, barbituates? Who caaaaaaaares...

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 13, 2011 - 8:41pm

Just think of the tax revenue that could be generated by legalizing drugs and taxing the fuck out of them. Right now the government isn't getting any benefits out of the giant grow operation in my basement.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 8:48pm

I don't really understand the tax argument of legalizing certain drugs: mainly marijuana. How will the government tax something you grow in your home for personal use? (And I mean a general 'you', not you (Chester) specifically.) 

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day December 13, 2011 - 8:54pm

Because, like making your own wine, the majority of people won't have the know-how to grow that sticky-icky-icky.

So they will buy it from a licensed vendor, like they buy alcohol.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 9:00pm

Maybe it's because I live in California, but the majority of people I know who smoke weed know how to grow it themselves. 

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 13, 2011 - 9:01pm

I would stop growing it and buy it at Safeway so I would have more time to discuss the benefits of legalization.

No, but in all seriousness, it is really hard to say if legalization is a good idea or a bad one. I mean if I could get  

eight-ball along with my Cheerios and Twinkies, then I probably would. And Spence's point about blow making

everyone hyper would then apply to me as well as a lot of other people. On the other hand, marijuana should be

legal. Again, like Spence said, who cares. It is already practically legal anyway. It is everywhere in Portland.

Everywhere. I hardly ever smoke it anymore, but I still think it would benefit a lot of people if it were

decriminalized completely. It would also re-open the much needed hemp industry which is the reason why

marijuana was made illegal in the first place. It is ironic that the first president of the United States had

hundreds of acres of marijuana growing to be used in the production of hemp but that this great resource is

now illegal because lobbyists for William Randolph Hearst and the paper pulp industry didn't want any

competition from that superior material.

That is how this country works. Lobbyists.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 9:03pm

I agree that marijuana should be legalized. I don't, however, think it should be a stock item at Safeway. Although I did get a good laugh of of that. 

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club December 13, 2011 - 9:05pm

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 13, 2011 - 9:05pm

It will so be right next to the microbrews.

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 13, 2011 - 9:07pm

Nice quote. Yeah blazed people are scarcely belligerent. Sentient.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 14, 2011 - 4:49am

Legalizing pot is something I am genuinely conflicted about.  I get so mad when I see adults who live their lives like 13 year olds because they like getting high more than they like being self-sufficient.  It makes you okay with doing nothing, and that makes me mad.  I have baggage there. Ha.

On the other hand, is it more dangerous than alcohol?  My general feeling is that it is not.  And I hate to be a hypocrite about it. 

I'm glad it is not my decision to make, and I wouldn't lobby either side.

 

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated December 14, 2011 - 5:02am

Keeping it illegal creates a large segment of rich criminals. The only options are to either A)Allow it to continues stupidly like we have been B)Legalize it and treat it as a health care issue or C)Create serious penalties for being in anyway involved in drug ownership or use. For now we are going to go with A guys.


Up side it seems to upset the hippies, so that's always fun.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 14, 2011 - 5:12am

I have to agree with avery, I personally don't want a country of drug addicts. Plus prolonged marijuana use can mimic the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. My father has done marijuana for 30 years instead of dealing with problems and he has a horrible short term memory. He can't remember movies he saw six months ago or even comprehend a simple TV show without watching it 5 times. It drives me insane. Plus he is always so paranoid, thinks everyone is conspiring against him or talking about him.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated December 14, 2011 - 5:24am

Guys we already have a country full of drug addicts.

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Legalize acid! FTW!

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz December 14, 2011 - 1:40pm

I hear what you guys are saying on the abuse prevention side of the coin and at times my inner coin flip agrees.

Take heroin for example.

This discussion started with the 'legalization' of heroin. Okay, again, I could see the benefits of doing something so crazy. As Raelyn pointed out, the regulation of its abuse might slow the spread of aids through needles and might generate revenues, a portion of which could theoretically be used to treat addiction; kind of like a snake eating its own tail to nourish itself only to realize its body continually regenerates skin. But one of the problems with that is giving more revenue to a government that has clearly proven it's incapable of prudent spending. 

Not only that but I have seen that drug destroy too many wonderful people. People close to me, people I love. That is one drug I would never want to see be made more accessible. It is physically addicting. It rewires the receptors in the brain and turns people into someone they weren't. Into monsters. And once that happens there is no end to what people will do to get it. 

I had the pleasure of watching the life of my stunning fashion model sister disintegrate in the lovely arms of heroin. Imagine if you looked out the window of your small downtown business one day and the girl you grew up with, the girl once brimming with creativity, numerous talents and pulchritude, the girl you had always looked up to, was turning tricks to score another spoon. That's what I saw, and it still brings tears to my eyes.

What began as the occasional jolly pop gradually escalated into frisco specials and maxxed-out credit cards and begging and stealing and lying and lying. The band she helped co-found went on without her song writing talent. Despite her condition, her self-destruction still managed to inspire musical hits.

Heroin is so passé. 

After that she sat in her rented room she was behind paying rent on, poking herself endlessly and eavesdropping on her roommates beneath the crack in her bedroom door through two vacuum cleaner hoses. One for each ear. She thought they were all conspiring against her when they said she needed help.

She didn't get it until the day she wound up in prison on a possession charge.

Fortunately she has been clean for eight years now, but she very nearly died on a number of occasions.

I have never seen anyone sink to those depths to roast a bowl. And I doubt if I ever will.

 

I would say I wished heroin never existed, but then that would mean that all of the art it has inspired might not exist. There are upsides to just about every drug I suppose.

As far as marijuana goes, of course it has potentially damaging effects. Like I said before, I rarely smoke marijuana anymore. So far in 2011 I haven't at all.  

In the past I smoked it quite regularly. Starting in sixth grade. What can I say it was the seventies--at least that's the excuse my mother uses for why the joints were passed to me and my underage siblings at parties.

In middle school we used to raid backyards of their marijuana plants in a large middle-class Portland suburb known as  'Greenway'. One of my partners in crime later became a star basketball player at the University of Oregon. He was really tall and could leap a six-foot fence in a single bound. He'd rip the plants from where they were 'camouflaged' with tomato plants and chuck them over to me and my brother who were waiting with Glad Bags to conceal them for the walk home.

We then dried the plants in the oven and bagged the shake. It looked as innocuous as oregano. We sold grams to kids all around the neighborhood for two dollars a pop. Of course we smoked some ourselves. I still remember the horrible headaches it gave me before Pop Warner football practice. 

When my AWOL dad hooked up with the woman who would become his third wife (and still is) she brought some children of her own into the mix and a dysfunctional early-eighties version of the Brady Bunch was born.

Imagine the more realistic family that played itself out off-stage. The one where Bobby and Cindy actually do end up having sex and Peter and Jan try to grow marijuana behind the garage with the seeds that Greg had shipped in from Amsterdamm.  Meanwhile, Carol and Mike are so overjoyed with their newfound puppy love that everything in their periphery was nothing more than the bubbly fuzz of crashing ocean waves far off in the distance.

My new step-brother moved out. He had been training for the U.S. Cycling team with Greg LeMond until just before my stepmother met my father. He had started smoking marijuana too and was growing some plants in his closet. He also had started smoking cigarettes. He had these strange crusty pits on the inside of each elbow. When I asked him what they were, he said he had accidentally set his elbow down on the cherry of a lit cigarette and that the cherry had burned his skin causing it to blister. And when the blister finally popped it caused the inflamed crater.

I asked him how he managed to leave his arm on something that hot for so long without reacting. He said he had been sleepy when it happened. I believed him eventhough the likelihood of him doing that twice in the exact same location on the inner-side of both elbows seemed ludicrous. I suppose after my mom and dad split, I was looking for people to believe in.

But as it turned out, that explanation was far easier to take than the truth. A doctor had introduced the Olympic hopeful to cocaine. Not snorting it though. Shooting it. The red craters on the inside of his elbows had been caused by prodding needles. As his cocaine use escalated, the fang of the needle took its toll altering his athletic physicality until the once stout-thighed youth became a flimsy twig.

His Olympic dreams deteriorated altogether. He and some of his co-addicts began breaking into homes and stealing identities. They were busted at a bank trying to cash one of their stolen checks. He was 19.  It was all Carol and Mike could do to keep him out of prison. What a wonderful college fund those lawyer's fees might have made!

Fortunately he responded well to treatment and hasn't touched that drug since. He still smokes marijuana regularly and drinks on occasion but holds a high-paying job at an international corporation and is happily married, kind of. He also owns a thriving small business and a number of investment properties which he's rarely shy about disclosing the value of. So I guess he turned out okay in the end. 

When I went into high school, he began supplying me with marijuana even after the blow debacle. The Indica was so aromatic I'm surprised teachers and administrators didn't stop me in the halls because of the pungent smell. As I found out later, a number of them smoked marijuana too. Maybe they just thought it was coming from the teacher's lounge.

My new recovering addict bro supplied me for awhile but stopped when he discovered that my friends and I had begun smoking all of the profits and were beginning  to blaze through the general inventory. That was fine because in the bigger community of high school I had already met a number of other suppliers. And their  buds were even bigger and better. Humboldt County KGB. Plus they had other stuff. Black hash. Mushrooms. Acid. Coke. Crack. MDMA. Heroin.

It was all available and easier than buying booze because you didn't have to risk the embarrassment of having the cashier behind the counter at Safeway ask you in front of a long line of people why you had so little facial hair for a twenty-one-year old. That challenge was soon resolved as well because a few of the dealers I was introduced to were already twenty-one. They were older but they sure didn't act like it. They treated me like I was their little brother. I had found more people to believe in. Once we started making them money, they were glad to provide the booze perquisite.  

I began walking out of the Lovejoy Apartments where one of my dealers lived, carrying a reeking sports bag. Inside was a quarter pound of marijuana and a bottle of booze. I paid for it with money I'd earned working at Fred Meyer as a stock boy. The apartment building is still there and everytime I drive past it the image that flashes through my brain isn't one of stalks of dried marijuana buds or fuming bong smokestacks.

In the back room there was always a scale with a big pile of coke on it. Relative to the mound on the desktop next to it, however, it looked small. In the memory, the weight on the scale arm is set at half an ounce. That is how much coke we brought to our senior prom.

This story could go on and on. But I suppose the point is that this is another one of those complex issues where so many things are interwoven.

Is it better to have unregulated dealers providing drugs to our youth? Or would having drugs regulated curb the flow? As I said before, it is really easy to get drugs. Anything. I got them much too easy. It was harder to buy booze than drugs before I was twenty-one. And because drug dealers are already unregulated many of them have tossed morality out the window long ago and don't care who they sell to or what they are selling.

Now, as far as dealers go, those who function solely in the green-gray marijuana market tend, in my experience, to have a higher set of standards than dealers of all other drugs do. They treat marijuana like a horticultural craft-- a lot like micro-brewers or viticulturists.

I know a couple who sought higher education in horticulture at reputable universities in order to learn everything they can about the subject. Should that be criminalized while another student is applauded for doing an apprenticeship in Bordeaux or Bayern? To tell you the truth I think they made a pretty wise investment. I am fairly confident that this drug is more than well on its way to legalization, so all this banter may already illustrate a moot point.

Considering the fact that I have never had a problem subsiding or quitting smoking marijuana, I do not feel it is highly addictive. The same cannot be said about most of the other drugs I have taken. Not only do both my recovered sister and step-brother smoke it, but so do a lot of other people I know. These people do not resemble junkies to me. A boat load of them are high-functioning professionals who would agree with most of what I am saying. Because they too see the difference.

Marijuana is different.

Sure, it has been categorized with all other harmful controlled substances. And I agree it can be dangerous. So can Energy Drinks. And as my personal story illustrates the current method of distrubtion, if anything, perpetuates and enhances marijuana's role as a gateway drug.

The question is can that gateway be reduced? Instead of having illicit drug dealers sell the drug to minors along with a cornucopia of other drugs, wouldn't it make more sense to decriminalize it in order to more closely monitor its use? 

Hemp is not the monster it is made out to be.

 

 

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Kirk from Pingree Grove, IL is reading The Book Of The New Sun December 14, 2011 - 10:05pm

If in Alabama a store owner doesn't want black people in his private shop, that's his decision because it's a 'free country'. It is not the governments place to dictate how citizens run their lives. My saying this in no way means I agree with drug use, or segregation. I'm simply making a point. 

The reason the fed has to step in with things like minority rights is exactly that. They are MINORITY rights. You can't leave civil-rights up to the discretion of majority rule. 

Ron Paul has done a great job of pulling the wool over a lot of people's eyes. The reason he wants so many things to go back to the state-level is so rights can be taken away from minorities. The problem is, few journalists ask him the next logical question when they talk to him.

When asked if he thinks abortion should be illegal, he cleverly says "I don't think the Federal Government should be in the business of telling women what they can do with their bodies". Which sounds totally great. But he rarely actually answers the question. When pushed, you get that given the choice, he would overturn Roe V Wade at the federal level, then outlaw abortion in his state.

The same goes for your "blacks in Alabama" idea. By his own logic, Brown Vs the Board of Education should be overturned - Let the state decide. Yeah, we already saw how that worked out.

Every single thing he is against, was put in place at the federal level because the "right thing" wouldn't have been done otherwise. If you want to argue that many of these systems need reform, that's another discussion.

So, if you're pro-life, anti-gay rights, anti-minority rights and against environmental regulation, Ron Paul is certainly the guy for you to vote for. But hey, at least you can smoke some pot.

He has done a hell of a job tricking people into liking him though.