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Ches Smith from Houston, TX February 21, 2012 - 8:36am

If a writer can't come up with a clever intro post title, is he a writer at all? I've only been seriously writing for about three years now and I'm getting this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I'm not particularly good at it. I'm passionate about writing, though, I love it, and sometimes I think it's all I have.

Anyway, I'm in the midst of the fourth draft of a novel (92,000 words) and though I feel good about it it, the only responses I tend to get are no responses at all. To my mind, that's the same as saying "I don't want to hurt your feelings." Anyway, I thought I would try this place and see if I can figure out a way to salvage it. I haven't yet upgraded my membership so that I can submit it, though, as these types of forums intimidate the hell out of me. I'm still trying to decide if I want to know the brutal truth or keep my head in the sand.

 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 21, 2012 - 8:39am

I'm having trouble ccoming up with clever welcome messages.

I'm going with this now:

Enoy.

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Ches Smith from Houston, TX February 21, 2012 - 8:42am

Ooh, thank you! That looks fantastic.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 21, 2012 - 8:48am

Welcome, Ches!  Dave will be along to welcome you shortly.  Until then, I extend his hand in greeting.

Maybe you're showing your novel to the wrong people.  Care to give us a teaser what it might be about?

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PandaMask from Los Angeles is reading More Than Human February 21, 2012 - 8:48am

Salutations!

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner February 21, 2012 - 8:53am

Welcome Dave should be along once he wakes up with the welcome stuff. 

Running jokes:

Panda porn and Pickup 

 

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Ches Smith from Houston, TX February 21, 2012 - 9:00am

Thanks for the greetings.

Utah, that may be the case. It's a sci-fi novel with an undercurrent of religious satire, and most of my readers have been Christians that don't like sci-fi. But you work with what you got, right?

It's about a primitive alien society that worships a human who crashed on their planet and ended up exploiting them. He is long since dead, but has changed the face of their society and they still worship him as their messiah. The main character is thrust into a pursuit for the truth about it. The story is really about faith and the frailty of it.

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Jose F. Diaz from Boston is reading Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel February 21, 2012 - 9:00am

Welcome to LitR.

Read the essays, post your stories, have thick skin, and most importantly, have fun.

This site is full of really great people who will give it to you straight. Good luck and once again welcome to LitR.

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz February 21, 2012 - 9:04am

Hey Ches,

The pit of my writing stomach feels like that too.

Welcome.

The Texans are movin' in. Houston, nice. A lot of art there. My buddies The Art Guys are down there.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 21, 2012 - 9:20am

Well, my recommendation would be to subscribe to the workshop.  Throw in the first couple chapters (one at a time) and a bunch of people more interested in how you write than your worldview will take a look at it and give you some objective opinions.  It's well worth it. 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 21, 2012 - 9:20am

And remarkably inexpensive.  Two packs of cigarettes.

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. February 21, 2012 - 9:35am

Hey. Welcome to the fun and games. And don't worry, I regularly have to persuade myself I'm not a complete hack. Gotta have a bit of faith bro!

If you do join up for the workshop, I assure you you will not just get blank responses. The workshopping here is really good. It does sound like you were pitching it at the wrong people so far.  

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 21, 2012 - 12:05pm

Die nameless!...Wait, was the totally the wrong way to make someone feel welcome? Man I'm horrible at this...Death to your foes! Was that better? Tell me it was better, lie if you have too.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 21, 2012 - 12:07pm

And the brutal truth is that no one can write 92,000 words without outside help and not hit the whole spectrum of awesome to horrible; the hard part is sorting out which parts fall on which place on that spectrum.

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Boone Spaulding from Coldwater, Michigan, U.S.A. is reading Solarcide Presents: Nova Parade February 21, 2012 - 12:30pm

Welcome!

I can't seem to come up with clever posts, period. But that's OK. Sometimes cleverness is tired...

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Dave from a city near you is reading constantly February 21, 2012 - 2:47pm

Ooooh....I've been waiting for the next newb.

 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner February 21, 2012 - 2:47pm

Love it. 

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin February 21, 2012 - 2:49pm

Dave, bringing his A game to the intro threads.

Welcome, Ches.

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading Wanderers by Chuck Wendig February 21, 2012 - 2:53pm

Every time I see Pickup as an inside joke I get this eerie feeling you guys are all making fun of me behind my back, since I've been MIA lately. 

 

And welcome, Ches.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner February 21, 2012 - 2:53pm

Pickup as in Pickup Artist. 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 21, 2012 - 2:54pm

Where we paint on you, Renee.

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Dave from a city near you is reading constantly February 21, 2012 - 2:54pm

@Renee, I was confused, too...then again I can be a little slow on the uptake. 

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Dave from a city near you is reading constantly February 21, 2012 - 2:56pm

OH, Ches, seriously, welcome.  The 9 bucks a month for the workshop is well worth it. 

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading Wanderers by Chuck Wendig February 21, 2012 - 3:04pm

Ha, I know, I read the thread. It just feels weird seeing my name everywhere.

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Jose F. Diaz from Boston is reading Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel February 21, 2012 - 3:06pm

I suggest legally changing your name. Perhaps Renee Lift or Renee Heft.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 21, 2012 - 3:08pm

Renee Heft.  That's...well...at least you save lives, Joe.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 21, 2012 - 3:11pm

"That's...well...at least you save lives, Joe."

That made me laugh.  And, yeah.

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Jose F. Diaz from Boston is reading Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel February 21, 2012 - 3:13pm

I used to save lives....and take them. The best way to save lives is suppressive fire.

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Ches Smith from Houston, TX February 21, 2012 - 4:10pm

Thanks again for the greetings, all. I will be upgrading my membership soon, I really like what I see here.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 21, 2012 - 4:32pm

Well, the majority of us here aren't Christians so we won't be offended.
I personally believe God is a little old lady in Pasadena.

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PandaMask from Los Angeles is reading More Than Human February 21, 2012 - 4:38pm

Just be strong and stick it through.

Not many have...

 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner February 21, 2012 - 5:19pm

@Ches- no response is pretty normal. Keep going man! Don't give up. I had a MS that won 4th place out of 14,000 in a contest. I submitted 200-300 queries. (Agents and Publishers) I got maybe...20-30 requests for the first 3 chapters (or first 50 pages) and maybe....5 requests for the full MS. (And never heard back from any of them.) It happens to all of us. 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest February 21, 2012 - 5:21pm

Welcome. My gift to you:

You may need it in here. But, use wisely...

~Rian

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest February 21, 2012 - 5:23pm

I'd also recommend saying away after consuming Avery's gift basket. ALcohol and guns don't mix... Kinda like Klonopin and Wild Turkey...

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 21, 2012 - 5:44pm

I like percoset and red bull, it gives me metallic silvery wings laced with blood.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest February 21, 2012 - 5:50pm

oops... wrong thread.

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Gordon Ramirez from Los Angeles is reading Damned February 21, 2012 - 9:33pm

Hello all.

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PandaMask from Los Angeles is reading More Than Human February 21, 2012 - 9:35pm

Salutations Gordon!

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Chester Pane from Portland, Oregon is reading The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Diaz February 22, 2012 - 1:52am

Oh, I just came up with a clever thing for you to say and you can say it without telling anyone I came up with it and just claim it as your own, I don't mind. Because everything clever I come up with is really stupid.

So go ahead:

"Whenever I watch TV and I see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I would love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 22, 2012 - 2:02am

Mariah Carey said that!!!

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Ches Smith from Houston, TX February 22, 2012 - 5:40am

@Chester, that is good! Thought provoking, too.

As an aside, I wonder if someone could market a diet plan where people send all of their food to starving populations. No food, no fat. We'd have droves of rich Americans with nothing but bone, a little skin, and Prada. There's a South Beach Diet, why not a Third World Diet?

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 22, 2012 - 7:59am

@moon - If mixing guns and alchool was something I thought was wrong, I wouldn't live in Kentucky.