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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 6, 2011 - 8:13pm

Have you guys seen this video on youtube?  It's getting a lot of national attention.  It's probably the most depressing thing I've seen in a long time.  Some people are saying it's fake but I don't think it is.  What do you think?

 

http://youtu.be/TdkNn3Ei-Lg

 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 6, 2011 - 8:31pm

It's a sad situation we have here in America. I look back to high school, '92-'96, and I can honestly say there wasn't much bullying going on. Kids got called names and fights broke out, but nothing like it is now. Now, in my thirties, it all seems so trite and stupid. So much more going on in the world to worry about, but for a 13 year old, school is the world. Everyone you know is there. Your life is there. 

His video, fake or not, is inspirational. Bullied or not, I think everyone can take something away from this. I was never bullied, but I know what it's like to not want to live. I've dealt with that, and moved past it. I've been able to conquer my demons and I know I'm stronger than that. I give Jonah a lot of credit. It took a lot of courage to make that video. More to post it on Youtube. And even more to link it Facebook. His courage, strength and hope are an inspiration. 

 

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy December 6, 2011 - 9:10pm

@ Ryan - My high school years were the early eighties. I still have a hole in my soul over a kid, Michael Wamsley, being bullied so much he hanged himself. Bullying was fairly prevelent but most of us just settled it behind the gym after school. Mano a mano and gained respect and usually a good friend in the process.

 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 6, 2011 - 9:16pm

Yep, that's how it was at my school. Beat each other up, then a week later you're friends. And usually, it was over some girl that wouldn't even date them after they fought anyway.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 7, 2011 - 8:04am

Lots of thoughts.

First - "mano a mano" - My freshman year my friend gotten beaten to death after school.  It was going to be a typical after school type fight, but group mentality took over.  He died just a few days after his sixteenth birthday.

Second - When I was in school i acted in ways I can't even relate to now.  Things are different.  To a high school kid, those petty little things are not petty.  They are everything.  It's always easy for adults to look back at teens and say "it gets better", because it's true, it does.  But this is little consolation to the kids at the time.  Blame it on the hormones, but every little thing is ten times more devastating to a kid. 

Third - I can say now that my friend Brad shouldn't have gone and fought, that he had a choice in the matter, but if I really stop and think about it...that isn't true.  He had to fight. 

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. December 7, 2011 - 8:22am

Alas I can believe this to be real all too easily. Schoolkids can be pretty awful to each other. I remember seeing some pretty horrible things. This was like ten years ago. I was never the target of anything too bad myself but I know folks that were treated rather horribly.

It is a very real problem. Not just amongst kids either. I find it disturbing. I honestly don't think that bullies are able to properly understand the damage they do. Not the real bullies, the drive-someone-to-suicide type. There's something fucking broken there.

This kid was brave to post the video.

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading Wanderers by Chuck Wendig December 7, 2011 - 11:19am

Avery--that is so true. I hear a lot of parents saying they will teach their kid to never retailiate in a fight and "just walk away"--fuck, that is not possible at a school. By the time you know someone wants to fight you, there is a crowd gathered round and there is no "just walk away" about it. And, like you said, often times the "spectators" get in on it as well. It's scary stuff.

I went to a pretty laid back high school and although there were cliques everyone seemed to get along--but--the gay kids got bullied, the transexual student got bullied and beat up. Same at the HS across town, where my best friend went, he was on suicide watch for most of his junior year after he came out because of the way people treated him, and fucked with him.

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy December 7, 2011 - 11:24am

The simple truth to the matter is parents need to be aware of what's happening to their kids and be aware of what there kids are doing and are capapble of doing. A lot of parents shouldn't be parents.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters December 7, 2011 - 1:07pm

Renee - yes.  Because even if you walk away once, it doesn't end it.  It just adds more tension. 

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce December 7, 2011 - 3:21pm

My heart and lungs are irredemibly scarred from high school. I'm a sophomore!

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. December 7, 2011 - 3:50pm

High school ruined me. By junior year I was already planning my life as a junkie. Even considered moving to Edinburgh to live that life out. High School is terrible I'm glad I'll never have to experience it again. Though sometimes I miss it compared to the real world. And thats where all the girls were. I was only getting laid freshman year but still...better than the real world.

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spence from planet is reading Books December 7, 2011 - 5:19pm

I call bullshit, he can't even produce fake tears. And that video is about two and a half minutes too long. Yeah bullying sucks but so does lying.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 7, 2011 - 7:18pm

@Spence: It's not whether it's fake or not that's important here. The kid sent a message, a heartfelt one at that, and that's what should be taken into account here. Call bullshit all you want, but at least the kid's doing something about it.

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. December 7, 2011 - 7:57pm

Attention: Please, Do Not Feed The Trolls

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest December 7, 2011 - 8:23pm

Attention: Please, Do Not Feed The Trolls

Sorry, sorry. I missed the sign. Won't happen again, I swear...

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 8, 2011 - 2:38am

He cries!  It's the tears you hold back and that roll down involuntarily that are the real ones.  Not the big sobby crocodile tears.  Not the "My daughter is missing but I have no idea where she is, my wife and I definitely didn't kill her" tears.  (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Jon Bennet Ramsey's parents)

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spence from planet is reading Books December 8, 2011 - 7:25am

Not to mention there's no scars when he shows his arms where he 'cut' himself. When he was 8. Right. Then he tries to force himself to cry because it's not actually that big a deal to him. I know histrionics when i see it.  It's a crap video and i get the message of it. Everyone knows bullying is a problem and some wannabe touching Youtube video isn't 'doing something' about it. Nobody still cares except for wusses anyway. And just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're a troll. Get a life.

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. December 8, 2011 - 8:35am

I haven't even watched the video. If I did, I wouldn't be surprised if I even agreed with you on some of those points. However, all of your posts have that feel of a different agenda. Maybe not full blown out trolling but maybe playing devil's advocate, which is fine by me, but if feels you would disagree with something just for the sake of disagreeing with it and by that definition well it's troll-ish. 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. December 8, 2011 - 1:10pm

I agree, if your opinions came off as informed and not just antagonistic but every single post you make is just negative for the sake of being negative. At least be sarcastic funny, a smartass i can deal with.

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NotMarilyn from Twin Cities, MN is reading Mistress of Rome by Kate Quinn December 9, 2011 - 1:16pm

You don't have to physically stop a fight to be "doing something" about bullying.

I was never bullied in high school, but my friends were. I was too chicken-shit to come out of the closet until after. We had to walk in a circle around a friend of mine to hide him from a select few fuck-nuggets who decided they needed to make his life hell. I can't even imagine what he felt knowing how much it freaked me out.

No, "doing something" can be anything - talking about the  youtube video, real or fake, is doing something. Awareness DOES help.