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. November 10, 2011 - 12:46pm

I like Brandon's idea actually. We should up the stakes in the future for this.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 10, 2011 - 5:08pm

Yeah the loser has to give the winner nude photos, I mean a book!

My hand actually cramped up really bad writing the story last nite. I hope you aren't writing no love story, jack, cause I will beat yo ass!

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break November 10, 2011 - 5:36pm

It's not a competition unless something's at stake.  That'll filter out pansies so it's only the people who are truly serious about competing.

Otherwise it's: "Me! Me! I wantz compete!" "Oh hai, me too!" "And moi!" "I just started writing today, but yeah, I'm in!" "I don't even know what this is but sure, okay!"

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misskokamon from San Francisco is reading The Moonlit Mind November 10, 2011 - 5:56pm

I think there is something at stake: our reputations.

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. November 10, 2011 - 8:36pm

We keep talking about so lets do it. Who ever loses buys the other person a book of their choice. Even if it isn't officially in the rule book yet, I'm doing it this round. Aliensoul, what do you think? Put your chips on the table??

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 10, 2011 - 10:12pm

Okay fine, we'll do the book thing.  So does it go by the amount of stars you get or a vote by each person individually?  I hope we get a fair amount of people judging this and not like 4 people lol

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. November 10, 2011 - 10:31pm

I think it's based on stars. I'll tell post something here when I post it to the workshop.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 11, 2011 - 12:34am

I might have gone over the word limit, I'm still working on it but it came out to 3500 words.  I want to go back and edit it but I don't know if I can trim out 1000 words and still have it make sense.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 11, 2011 - 6:11am

Hey I got no problem with putting something at stake. 

But I guess two counterpoints to Brandon's argument for it:

1) "I wantz to compete too!" .... I really don't think that we're going to have an overflow of people that want to submit against someone. As is, we have me, Aliensoul, Renfield, misskokamon and jacks_username. I see maybe three other people on here that might want to get in on the action.

2) We have no idea how well this star system thing is going to work out. If people don't review both then the rating system can theoretically get skewed. 

So I think the betting would be better as an option rather than as a mandate... for now at least.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters November 11, 2011 - 6:23am

I agree, not to mention, if a random person wants to compete - they still would have to pay $9 to do it in workshop.  I would think the money factor would turn randoms away.  But if not, oh well.  Is it really so awful to have a bunch of people who want to do it? 

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starnessports from San Antonio November 11, 2011 - 7:15am

what about making it easy for all to get involved...because im not paying for anything on the internet..sorry litreactor...

but what about posting a link to your story, whether it be through a blog or whatever. then, we go on a rating system...and only people who voted for both get counted...

example:

averydoll...8/10

davidhanson...2/10

simple, and its easier to monitor then a star rating system....you would allow 48 hours from the end of the deadline for voting, and then tally up the votes.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 11, 2011 - 7:27am

Hey @starnessports. I understand your hesitation with not paying for anything on the internet. It is completely worth the $9 a month though in order to use the Submission functionality as well as have access to the craft essays. I'm not affiliated with the site outside of being a customer.

I really don't think this will take off outside of LitReactor's workshop just because I haven't seen a platform that you could really use to keep track of everything better than this. You might be able to do something with facebook, or google+ but honestly, you'll probably end up spending more time managing the contest than actually writing.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break November 11, 2011 - 7:56am

@starnessports

The $9 a month yields a few things.

-a workshop system in which you can get your work peer reviewed by other serious writers.  I'm going to stress the word "serious" because if you want to see how it works when it's free, go to http://www.authonomy.com/ and poke around for about an hour.  I've literally seen critiques that said "This story is okay."  Insightful, right?

-the 36 essays by Chuck Palahniuk, not to mention the essays Craig Clevenger has done, are also included when you join.  I'm not going to debate how much I think those are worth just by themselves, but I can assure you it's more than $9.

-then there's the resources for finding an agent, getting published in lit mags, how to format query letters, etc.

This workshop gets people in a position to get paid for their work.  I started in 2009 with basically nothing, now I have one novel out, have been included in two anthologies with a third on the way, have been published many times over, and procured a literary agent to sell my next two books.  My stuff is sitting with editors over at Penguin, Random House, and Hawthorne right now.

If you think $9 is too steep, just think about how much you'd pay through a traditional MFA program. 

 

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starnessports from San Antonio November 11, 2011 - 8:01am

the price isnt the issue, im anti credit card....which kills off most internet pay sites for me...i honestly dont see whats wrong with my idea though..completely free, easy to understand, simple to judge, winners cant be disputed, and open to more writers...like myself

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break November 11, 2011 - 8:18am

David's plan has a two-fold advantage:

1.) The first is that workshop will continue to be business as usual with the actual critique, and that's really the whole point of upgrading to being a premium member.  We want to get our work to a point where it can be submitted to publication.  Although you're likely to disagree, a certain quality of feedback is lost when it's open to everybody.  It becomes passive and generic.  I've personally witnessed the difference so I'm not without a frame of reference on this.

2.) David's plan also discounts the possibility of sock puppets, which is the principle reason why authonomy is such a shitty site.  What's to stop anyone from writing a piece and then making five accounts to chime in and support that piece?  By keeping the contest exclusive to workshop, we're avoiding that problem.  As much as I'd like to believe in an honor system, it's unfortunate to have to admit that not everyone is honorable--especially if there's some kind of prize on the line.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 11, 2011 - 8:27am

Yeah, and as much as I hate to say this... If you really think your plan will work, feel free to try it out. This thread is open to everyone at LitReactor, but I'm sticking to battling within the Workshop. Brandon is completely right about the quality of reviews here vs. the other sites. 

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starnessports from San Antonio November 11, 2011 - 8:27am

i understand your points david, and agree with them 100%. can i see the works that yall make for this battle without paying? still very intrigued

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. November 11, 2011 - 9:33am

My short story is up now. I had to use OpenOffice so it's a text doc. and I didn't have time to edit because I bought Skyrim last night but my submission is in the workshop now. Check it out!

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misskokamon from San Francisco is reading The Moonlit Mind November 11, 2011 - 9:38am

I want to keep it in the Workshop. The reason being is every time we review someone else's work, we receive points to continue submitting. Not to mention it gets us in the habit of, you know, reviewing.

I won't be writing my piece until this weekend! Work and NaNo gets in the way on weekdays. 

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 11, 2011 - 1:15pm

@starnesssports... we can post the final drafts of battles and results in the forum if you're interested.

 

@misskokamon. I'm coming at you, bro.

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starnessports from San Antonio November 11, 2011 - 1:49pm

@david that sounds awesome man

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 11, 2011 - 1:58pm

Seriously jack the deadline isn't until next wed. You have time to edit. Im gonna punch you in the balls. I guess ill post this weekend then. Mine is 3500 words tho

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 11, 2011 - 2:36pm

Oh and to get the maximum number of reviews, everyone pimp the contest out to your litreactor friends to read and vote. Also what is the cut off time for votes? Lastly I think its important that everyone who participates reads and votes on both pieces and not just one. Thanks!! I can't wait for you guys to read my story.

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misskokamon from San Francisco is reading The Moonlit Mind November 11, 2011 - 4:49pm

That's a good rule. If you're going to review and vote, you need to read the opposing piece as well. Perhaps we can include the link to our enemy's competition's friend's submission, as well? Maybe even restrict it so you shouldn't post it before the due date? 
 

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. November 11, 2011 - 6:44pm

I probably should have waited to post it but I was excited. Skyrim is taking up all my time so I don't have time to worry about edits. It's so amazing, I don't even care about winning at this point. It's like crack.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 11, 2011 - 7:01pm

@misskokamon... seriously jealous of your post writing skills.

@aliensoul, good call on the deadline for votes. Everyone ok with a week? 

@jacks_username... I didn't buy skyrim for that very reason. I think Aliensoul is preparing to own you.

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. November 11, 2011 - 7:11pm

Alright mates, check out my submission, the formatting should be fixed now.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 11, 2011 - 7:20pm

I want in on this. Sounds fun as hell. And I need to get back to writing. I think this will be good practice.

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch November 11, 2011 - 7:37pm

I guess I'm one of the ones who briefly showed enthusiasm but did not appear again. Sadly I don't have a lot of spare time but I'll try to participate in the voting and I really want to play the game later... like next week.

So count me in, at some point...

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misskokamon from San Francisco is reading The Moonlit Mind November 11, 2011 - 10:52pm

@David: You're just trying to butter me up. Don't think I'm not on to your games, fella!

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 11, 2011 - 10:58pm

Prepare yourself bitches!  lol   Anyway, since jack prematurely ejaculated posted I decided to edit my story and post it so it's up now.  I wrote it last night and I am pretty happy with it the way it is.  I did manage to get the slap and flowers in there at the very end in the most random way.  I hope you guys like it.  It's very, um, demented hahahhahha.

Ps.  Tell all your friends to vote.

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts November 12, 2011 - 1:27am

Voted. I didn't do an LBL because I didn't do one for Jax's funky file type, wasn't sure how much comments you guys wanted either (I think I'll go full bore LBL next time, to keep some integrity to the workshopping aspect.) It was pretty tough rating, there were things I really liked that I might have normally bumped up the rating with, and there were things I thought weren't up to snuff but worked okay for your guys' particular writing styles, so I didn't bump it down which I may have done normally. Brings my ratings into a new perspective, but I think it worked out decent enough.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 12, 2011 - 6:35am

@R. Moon... all you have to do to get in is to challenge someone.

Also, for anyone that doesn't feel like digging through the posts to find out what the current battles are, here is the update:

Jacks_Username vs AlienSoul

Renfield vs Me

Misskokamon vs Me

 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 7:06am

Cool man, thanks. And who decides what the prompt is? Just to make sure I've got this correct, we have one week from the challenge acceptance to submit the first draft. then another week to post the second? 

Just want to make sure I've got the rules correct.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 7:09am

There's only seems to be a small handful of people willing to battle. I'd be willing to challenge anyone, but I don't want to burden someone of another story if they're already battling. I'll leave it open. If someone wants to challenge, I'm down.

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Dave Hanson from Connecticut is reading Incredibly pulpy fantasy and sci-fi November 12, 2011 - 8:18am

@R.Moon, yeah I think the rest are trying to wait and see how this goes before getting involved.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 8:42am

True. Good point. Well, my door is open for anyone looking for a challenge.

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy November 12, 2011 - 8:52am

@R.Moon, I would challenge you but I'd just be fodder for your cannon-like words and sharp wit. And it would be like a feather-weight challenging the reigning heavy weight champ.

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N.L. Vaught from Charlotte, NC is reading All sorts November 12, 2011 - 9:00am

Is it too late to get in on this? I'd really like to participate. Even if that just means that some random person challenges me. 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 9:49am

@instag8r: I'm not sure about all of that. I'm not going to goad you into a challenge. If you want, my door is open.

@N.L.: If you're up for it, I'll challenge you.

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. November 12, 2011 - 9:51am

Yeah Rian is a beast, he's the Mad Max of the workshop. 

I fixed the format, sorry about that, OpenOffice sucks for transferring files. I really should have edited before I posted because I think I've already lost. Oh well, I'll just get drunk, play Skyrim and masturbate until I'm emotionally able to challenge someone else.

Wow look at all these antsy competitors, this thread might even get mentioned in the magazine.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 9:57am

@Jack: Thanks for the sentiment. Format is format and I'm looking more at the actual story. I'll cut some slack this time on the format, but next time... LOL!

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 1:44pm

Someone accept my challenge! Getting bored here...

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy November 12, 2011 - 1:52pm

Okay, Against better sense and good judgement - R.Moon I challenge thee!

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 1:54pm

Ahh, good... Thank you Instag8r. I'm not completely sure how this works, but I think someone has to pick the prompt for us. I guess now, we wait and see.

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Instag8r from Residing in Parker, CO but originally from WV is reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy November 12, 2011 - 2:07pm

Now I have 7 days to learn how to write. My daddy always said "You can't be the best unless you spar against somebody who is better than you." Let the sparring begin. Should be fun.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 2:11pm

I think this will be fun. It's all in good spirits man. I wish you good luck. I guess we wait and see what our prompt is.

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts November 12, 2011 - 5:04pm

here's a picture prompt for you two:

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 12, 2011 - 5:16pm

Okay, game on Instag8r... Renfield has given us our prompt. Happy writing...

@Renfield: Thank you sir...

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 12, 2011 - 5:39pm

Wow, so jack and I are tied with three stars!!!  Lots of feedback, I'm glad more people are reading and participating in it.  I'm just kind of disappointed that most people didn't like my story ;(   David, you better review them, this was your idea in the first place lol