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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 2, 2014 - 1:22pm

That seems trite, but "Hey, I'm not a horrible person," seems like a cop out.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 2, 2014 - 8:07pm

Well, the reason some things are trite are because they're true. Anyway, the nuns always used that on us as a carrot, right before they gave you the punishment of something like writing 30 times on the chalkboard "I am personally responsible for the agony of Christ" or some other bulls**t. Nuns in the South were tough broads.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 3, 2014 - 3:37am

I think we undervalue a sense of shame these days.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 3, 2014 - 6:33am

Agreed. And filtering; some of these twits on the social media have never had their moms tell them they shouldn't tell everything about themselves to the world.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 4, 2014 - 6:29am

So this isn't where I should tell you guys about the time I lost my virginity?

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Grigori Black from US is reading Radium Girls by Amanda Gowin June 4, 2014 - 7:16am

Utah: So this isn't where I should tell you guys about the time I lost my virginity?

Found it!

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 4, 2014 - 7:43am

Thank you.  I've been looking for that. 

BACK IN THE BOX!

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 4, 2014 - 1:04pm

Just don't burn the place down.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 4, 2014 - 1:27pm

You guys are getting too spicy for me!

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 4, 2014 - 4:42pm

It's because I eat a lot of Thai food.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 4, 2014 - 8:34pm

teehee!

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 5, 2014 - 3:22am

You guys didn't get the reference did you?  I'm so ashamed.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 5, 2014 - 4:28am

Dwayne, are you talking about some obscure reference you made, or are you creating a reference based on my culinary proclivities?

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 5, 2014 - 6:07am

I think he's referring to the movie, that shot GB so aptly posted after you mentioned your long-lost virtue, and I can't remember the name of that film with the nut that had a thing for staplers... 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 5, 2014 - 6:09am

Office Space.  It was a wonderful movie, and convinced me (along with Fight Club) to quit my crappy job.  I owe a lot to Mike Judge, David Fincher, and Chuck Palahniuk.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 5, 2014 - 9:52am

Yes!! great film.. Nice trio to be in debt to, Mr. U.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 5, 2014 - 10:13pm

You never call him mister.  We barely call him Utah.

First 40 seconds.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 6, 2014 - 5:35am

Utah, are you going to take this abuse?

@Dwayne: Aha! sorry we missed the fire reference; can't bring your A-game every day, I guess.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 6, 2014 - 6:34am

A- game?

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 6, 2014 - 5:06pm

Sorry, local sports term.... means your best efforts. Kind like "He's seen the Elephant," a phrase the Southerners used in the Civil War to describe being in actual combat. We have a lot of quaint local sayings here in the Deep South.

 

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 6, 2014 - 8:04pm

No, you typed it out as A minus game.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 6, 2014 - 8:51pm

Ah, curses! Foiled again!! 

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 6, 2014 - 9:49pm

I try.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 7, 2014 - 12:10am

I noticed.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 7, 2014 - 12:13am

Good, good.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 7, 2014 - 12:24pm

D typed it out as "A- game". JW typed it out as "A-game", hyphenated.

 

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 7, 2014 - 3:50pm

Thanks for getting my back, JYH. They spell it like I did here in the South; it's a common term. Of course, copyediting is a lost art nowadays, so they (and I) may be misspelling it--

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 7, 2014 - 6:31pm

I think you might be.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 7, 2014 - 7:40pm

Anything you say, D!

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 7, 2014 - 7:43pm

I think the hyphen is perfectly suitable. Like A-Team, or A-1.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 8, 2014 - 12:51am

You'd also think the sun was cold if I called it hot.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 8, 2014 - 2:49pm

You factor less in my evaluations than that.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 8, 2014 - 3:08pm

Well, I claimed correlation not causation, but now you are disagreeing with my obvious hyperbole estimate of how often you disagree with me.  I think that sorta proves my point.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 8, 2014 - 9:45pm

What drama. I'd like to think you wouldn't say all that if you were talking to someone in person.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 8, 2014 - 9:46pm

And there's an implied cause. Unless you just don't believe in causes.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 8, 2014 - 10:15pm

I'm more of a bold statements and less subtle implications in my style of communication.  To be clear, I accept it is not possible to remove all implications, but I avoid them when I can.

...think the sun was cold if I called it hot.

I have said that in person, in almost word for word.  I try to be nice/make light of the situation, but I'm kidding on the square.  Which makes sense, since a lot of truth gets said in jest.

I believe in causes in the sense all events have one and sometimes the reasons can be understood.  I don't think most observation have enough facts to really know the cause.  It could be someone happens to think the opposite of what I do, so expressing almost any idea naturally leads to disagreement.  Could be someone trolling.  Maybe disagreement on a few important issues made them think of me as someone whom they happen to disagree with, so by default they go to other viewpoints.  Some combination of all or some of those.  Trying to figure out the reasons of something you'll never be able to it clouds the issue, allowing for endless pointless debate.  But just looking at the facts can allow predictive correlations to be made without getting into causes.

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 9, 2014 - 12:05am

You've missed your calling, D. You would have made an excellent Jesuit (speaking hypothetically; vows of obedience would definitely not be for you, good Sir! and I'm not even getting into the chastity thingy, because god knows many of the Jesuits aren't and will never abstain from sex), but you lack two qualites these priestly men have in spades: the ability be diplomatic, and the ability to compromise, when necessary. Hey, if I am wrong about this, I'll admit it at once; but you come across this way most of the time.

I think you're honest almost to the point of rudeness, and I accept that, basically because I believe that you are honest-- this is refreshing in a world full of doublespeak and outright lying. I know where I stand with you, and that's a good thing.

Again, if I'm wrong I will apologize, and say a whole rosary for penance. :) 

ps: I'm bummed about California Chrome losing; I'm even more bummed that his owner went on and on about letting horses run in the last race who've not been in any of the previous 3 races for the Crown. It showed a lack of class, IMHO. I somewhat agree with him, but it would have been nice if he'd been a little more gracious loser at that moment and then later expressed his opinion. Oh, well.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 9, 2014 - 6:50am

I have thought about similar things, but I think the issue with being Jesuit would be more the fact that I'm a Protestant.  I deal well with hierarchical organizations that are open about who is over who, obedience isn't a problem.  Pretending that someone isn't in charge when you have to do everything they and that they value my opinion when they make a point to ignore it is, which is why I dislike most corporations. 

As for compromise and diplomacy, I'm not completely lacking the way some people assume, but I don't feel those quality include being dishonest or caving in on small issues because someone complains. Plus you know it is the internet, in real life it is easier to be kind because conversations tend more to the practical and less towards picking fights over obscure issues.  I also tend to be more willing to do things to help others with real solvable problems (cover for them at works so they can attend weddings/funeral/graduations, give a ride when the car is in the shop, stuff like that) so bluntness doesn't seem so bad to the people I'm close to/around a lot.

If you want to say a rosary as a penance that is cool, but not something I'd even think of on my own.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 9, 2014 - 7:16am

"I'd like to think..." was not in reference to the hot/cold comment, rather the corr./cause one, and was facetious. Point not proved.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 9, 2014 - 8:43am

Well, great I guess?

 I've said that to people in person too, although I try to make sure they are familiar with those terms before I put it like that.  And if you don't think that you disagreeing every time you post shows that you can use opinions I express as a solid predictor of you disagreeing with them, you'll have to back that up a lot better than you have so far.  

I'll be away for a while so don't know when I'll be back online.  Family stuff.  Best of luck.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 9, 2014 - 9:25am

Half-or-more of the time, I don't understand well enough what you're saying to agree or disagree.

You want me to argue with your assessment of what I do "every time [I] post"?

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 9, 2014 - 7:09pm

Well, D, except for the Prod thing, you have pretty much most of the attributes of a Jesuit: they are extremely smart, could do verbal battle with the Devil, are adept at legal/regulations/military/etc., manuevering; love all the arts, appreciate fine wining and dining (that I don't know about you), and are as comfortable in the company of kings as they are with the homeless.

JYH: even if this weren't Battle for the Last Post, D would  counter anything you offer. I think you have won many points here; this is the first time I've seen D leave the battlefield, for whatever that's worth--but I've only been here since mid-Feb. this year.

Cheers! 

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Renae Gee from Australia is reading All the words! June 10, 2014 - 3:19am

Hey everyone,

Woah, what a lot I have missed.  Wonderful to be back. 

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 10, 2014 - 11:02am

Yay! Good to have you here again!

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 13, 2014 - 8:37am

@JYH - I don't want you to do anything specific.  People are who they are, and trying to change them doesn't work well.

I'll admit that yeah, most of the time people don't know what I'm saying.  Which drives me crazy because I feel like I'm saying,

Whatever you do, just don't turn left off this road or we all die horrible deaths this very second!  Right, straight, turn around (in which case it becomes don't turn right), stop here, whatever.  Just don't turn left!

and I feel like people keep saying,

But there is a great reason to slow down

And from there I'm not sure how to address it.

@Justwords - Thanks?  I think.  I left because my mom had to have semi emergency surgery, nothing to do with anything going on here.  She is better, but not sure how much I'll be around for a while, this was just a random break time kind of thing.

 

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justwords from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick Hornby June 13, 2014 - 10:39am

@Dwayne-- Hope your mom will heal quickly and be fine again. 

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Renae Gee from Australia is reading All the words! June 15, 2014 - 3:58am

Have you guys read any Irvine Welsh?

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Alma from Denmark is reading Warm Bodies + The Haunted Vagina June 15, 2014 - 5:02am

Nope (hate having to admit when there's stuff I haven't read - so thanks!)

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated June 15, 2014 - 6:00am

Much better thanks. Got to go to Books and Boozes, but life is still crazy.

 Take a look at this guys. http://litreactor.com/discuss/curse-words-that-dont-have-high-quality-synonyms

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voodoo_em from England is reading All the books by Tana French! June 15, 2014 - 11:50pm

@Renae~ yes: Trainspotting. I started Filth and Scagboys but didn't finish them.