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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. May 20, 2012 - 4:12pm

I will be posting something soon. I just have to type it up, it's on notebook paper.  I rarely write with notebook paper these days but I was out in public and didn't have my computer with me but sometimes it's good to do it that way cause when you type it up it's like working on your second draft right away.

Although I'm a little nervous about posting this story because it's about pedophilia and has graphic sexuality.  It's not a little kid.  It's a 40 year old man with a 17 year old boy but still. It's one of those morally ambiguous territories. The whole point of it though is the disgusting aspect, it's not condoning or endorsing the behavior in any way. It's just I wanted to write a serious horror story and sometimes that involves going to dark places.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 21, 2012 - 5:01am

Update! Nick,  all your submissions have been officially retired! The system works! 

 

The Hairdresser

By: Brad
In: Psychological, Short Story 0 reviews
A haircut turns interesting when a new hairdresser turns out to be an unashamed terrorist. 2,200 words.

THE FOUNTAINEERS

By: Jason George Osmond
In: Adventure, Novel Excerpt 1 reviews
1 new
There is an island where only the young can go. It is said that the secret to immortality resides there.This is an bloody, lawless tale of the controversial meanings of life and death.

 

The Long Con

By: moleskine
In: Short Story, Surprise Me 2 reviews
3 new
Adultery and voodoo in less than 3,000 words.


Great White Bay

By: marv66
In: Adventure, Short Story 2 reviews
2 new
A tribal mans wife begins to go into labor in their canoe in the middle of the bay. He hauls her back to the shore where something more sinister than the shark that just bumped him awaits

 

Savanna-I-L

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
In the previous chapter a Jesuit had counseled Stan to go find a good Catholic girl, get married and dedicate his 1st born son to be a priest. Stan visits his aunt in Savanna & meets Holly at church.


17 Brief Conversations with Pretty Girls in a Coffee Shop - Last Section

By: Deets999
In: Literary, Short Story 2 reviews
17 non-linear funny, little conversations loosely connected through the voice of a male narrator who is constantly enthralled by the power of pretty girls. 7,200 words (the last 5 snipits).

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. May 21, 2012 - 4:51pm

This thread has been making me feel bad for too long. Too long I tell ya.

It has been hard finding time recently. So much going on, ain't had many free evenings.

But now WAR is done, I don't really want to just slip back into my old lazy writing habits. Should probably keep the ball rolling. Some workshopping might fit the bill.

So I put Wordsearch, my semi-final story from WAR (it lost), and In Frames (a bizarro flash piece) up for review. And I reviewed a couple of stories this evening. Hopefully I'll get another chance later in the week and get to review a couple more. I shall try, I promise!

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 21, 2012 - 7:23pm

I'm excited to see what the Workshop will look like now that WAR is over. I've noticed an influx of submissions, but I rarely see them added to our list here, so it seems to be doing well so far.

That said, I know I need to stop binge-reviewing and then slacking.

That also said, the first chapter of my baby novella is up. The first chapter follows the narrator through the first day after she finds out her ex-boyfriend is dead. It's only 3,300 words, so I'm hoping to get at least six reviews. Not immediately, of course, but after a while.

EDIT: This post earned me the Wordsmith achievement.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 22, 2012 - 2:17am

I'm excited to see what the Workshop will look like now that WAR is over."

 

Same- I wonder if there is a way to combine the two during the next war. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 22, 2012 - 3:40am

"I wonder if there is a way to combine the two during the next war."

Originally we had plans for this, to use it as we do for Thunderdome.  Then the issue of creating a double blind vote sytem came up, and this made it damn near impossible.  If you have a suggestion - I'd read it.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 22, 2012 - 4:08am

Maybe requiring folks to have them reviewed after the voting ends. We are here to get better, maybe it'll help folks out. Other than that, I got nothing. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 22, 2012 - 4:20am

Well, I feel like we can encourage that.  I'm not sure about require.  I'll take that into consideration.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 22, 2012 - 4:43am

Update! 

 

We do It Big in Texas

By: Heather Nelson
In: Flash Fiction, Surprise Me 2 reviews
2 new
A flash piece about about your typical, West Texas pie-eating contest...with quite a finale.

On Fire (working title)

By: Courtney
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 1 reviews
1 new
The prologue and first chapter of my baby novella. 3,300 words about Melanie the day after she finds out her abusive ex-boyfriend was killed in Afghanistan.

Wordsearch

By: wickedvoodoo
In: Short Story, Surprise Me 1 reviews
2 new
Semi-final WAR! story. Attack the library! 2.5k words

The Hairdresser

 

By: Brad
In: Psychological, Short Story 2 reviews
1 new
A haircut turns interesting when a new hairdresser turns out to be a terrorist. 2,200 words.

THE FOUNTAINEERS

By: Jason George Osmond
In: Adventure, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
There is an island where only the young can go. It is said that the secret to immortality resides there.This is an bloody, lawless tale of the controversial meanings of life and death.

Great White Bay

By: marv66
In: Adventure, Short Story 2 reviews
A tribal mans wife begins to go into labor in their canoe in the middle of the bay. He hauls her back to the shore where something more sinister than the shark that just bumped him awaits

Savanna-I-L

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
In the previous chapter a Jesuit had counseled Stan to go find a good Catholic girl, get married and dedicate his 1st born son to be a priest. Stan visits his aunt in Savanna & meets Holly at church.

17 Brief Conversations with Pretty Girls in a Coffee Shop - Last Section

By: Deets999
In: Literary, Short Story 2 reviews
17 non-linear funny, little conversations loosely connected through the voice of a male narrator who is constantly enthralled by the power of pretty girls. 7,200 words (the last 5 snipits).

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 22, 2012 - 8:50am

The type of thought that goes into competition work far outweighs most of the stories people submit -- not because everyone besides me is a horrible writer and blah blah blah, but because they're not trying to win a 32-person bracket. I think it's important to review other people's work to strengthen your own skills, and reviewing WAR stories helped me more than the basic subs. Just a thought. Encouraging that would help everyone.

I heard some general murmurs about having a loser's bracket, so it's double elimination -- since we'll know who wrote the story anyway, we could Workshop it and then use the edited version for the loser's bracket. Like Thunderdome.

Unrelated to WAR -- I'd really appreciate a few LBLs on On Fire.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 22, 2012 - 8:57am

I heard some general murmurs about having a loser's bracket, so it's double elimination -- since we'll know who wrote the story anyway, we could Workshop it and then use the edited version for the loser's bracket. Like Thunderdome.

I like this.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 22, 2012 - 9:48am

So the losers bracket would not write a new story, just edit their losing one?  Am I reading that right?

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. May 22, 2012 - 9:50am

Am I reading that right?

Are you naked?  Because that's how you're supposed to read that.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 22, 2012 - 9:54am

Ah.  Then I'm reading it right.

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life May 22, 2012 - 10:42am

What the hell is the WAR? I saw thunderdome in the title of a couple stories, but kind of ignored it assuming it's some contest you all are doing amongst yourself. However, I would hope that those get split out from the regular workshop subs (which, since you pay for it, should really be for final polishing vs. developing ideas). Is there some way to do that? It seems like there are prompt contests, a thunderdome and WARs going on, but those seem like exercises vs. getting more eyes on a manuscript you're shopping around.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 22, 2012 - 10:44am

WAR was a contest that just ended and did not include the workshop. Thunderdome is always running and includes workshop. Bill is looking for a challenger right now.  LINK 

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 22, 2012 - 2:14pm

yeah, that's how i intended it. i think the loser's bracket could be interesting if the stories were their original stories workshopped. it would be difficult because of the prompt issue, but you could give the same prompt to four people, two of which win, two of which lose and then workshop their stories. just an idea, like i said.

the right shift key on my computer is broken and i don't want to bother with capitalization. i'm having a horrible day.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated May 22, 2012 - 5:37pm

The War partipants could use the work shop, but post someone else's story. Everyone post the guy to the left's kind of thing.

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Jimothy Scott from Canada is reading The Anatomy of Story by John Truby May 22, 2012 - 9:31pm

I did seventeen girls in a coffee shop...
I also reviewed deets999 story

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated May 22, 2012 - 8:54pm

You mean you reviewed it.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. May 22, 2012 - 11:06pm

Wow, Dwayne, way to ruin a joke.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 23, 2012 - 3:48am

@Garrett--you're the man

@Court, hope today is better! 

@Dwane...yeah...k

@AS, yep

Update! 

 

Friend of a Friend - Revised

By: Covewriter
In: Short Story, Surprise Me 2 reviews
2 new
Three friends get ready for a sororiety initiation, but one girl doesn't want to go for many dark reasons.

Mount Carroll Reworked

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 0 reviews
In the previous chapter Stan discovers an electricity between him and Holly, but Holly's best friend Chloe creates a dilemma for Stan. This chapter finds Stan dealing with his dilemma. 3,222 words.

The Old Brown Leather

By: Renfield
In: Bizarro, Flash Fiction 2 reviews
2 new
A pickpocket steals a wallet that is full of foreskins. 900 words.

 

On Fire (working title)  (damn, five star review? never saw that before) 

By: Courtney
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
The prologue and first chapter of my baby novella. 3,300 words about Melanie the day after she finds out her abusive ex-boyfriend was killed in Afghanistan.

 

THE FOUNTAINEERS

By: Jason George Osmond
In: Adventure, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
There is an island where only the young can go. It is said that the secret to immortality resides there.This is an bloody, lawless tale of the controversial meanings of life and death.

 

Great White Bay

By: marv66
In: Adventure, Short Story 2 reviews
A tribal mans wife begins to go into labor in their canoe in the middle of the bay. He hauls her back to the shore where something more sinister than the shark that just bumped him awaits

 

Savanna-I-L

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
In the previous chapter a Jesuit had counseled Stan to go find a good Catholic girl, get married and dedicate his 1st born son to be a priest. Stan visits his aunt in Savanna & meets Holly at church.

 

 

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 23, 2012 - 10:54am

Today was definitely better -- graduation rehearsal went well and I got some killer black pumps. My best friend's car got hit by a bus, though.

Four and a half, but close. I love hearing that people liked what I wrote, but I need an LBL that doesn't sugarcoat it, bad. I don't have any idea what the weaknesses in it are yet. And I know they're there. Mocking me as I overlook them.

EDIT: okay i'm back to refusing to capitalize, my fucking gmail just got locked because of "unusual activity." i had to create a second email to use because my first locked me out with 2-step verification (because i no longer have a cell phone) and they're requiring me to verify my NEW account with a phone, WHICH I DON'T HAVE

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 5:29am

Update, another 5 star review? Kind of strange to see.

 

As soon as things settle down, I'll review yours Court and Nick and a few others. 

 

What It Takes

By: J. Y. Hopkins
In: Noir, Short Story 1 reviews
1 new
Short crime story featuring high-school aged boys.

The White Queen

By: Freddy Bartle
In: Psychological, Short Story 2 reviews
2 new
A young boy deals with his surroundings in the only way he knows how. A story dealing with family, obsession and chess.

Mount Carroll Reworked

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 1 reviews
1 new
In the previous chapter Stan discovers an electricity between him and Holly, but Holly's best friend Chloe creates a dilemma for Stan. This chapter finds Stan dealing with his dilemma. 3,222 words.

On Fire (working title)

By: Courtney
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
The prologue and first chapter of my baby novella. 3,300 words about Melanie the day after she finds out her abusive ex-boyfriend was killed in Afghanistan.

THE FOUNTAINEERS

By: Jason George Osmond
In: Adventure, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
2 new
There is an island where only the young can go. It is said that the secret to immortality resides there.This is an bloody, lawless tale of the controversial meanings of life and death.

Great White Bay

By: marv66
In: Adventure, Short Story 2 reviews
A tribal mans wife begins to go into labor in their canoe in the middle of the bay. He hauls her back to the shore where something more sinister than the shark that just bumped him awaits

Savanna-I-L

 

By: ergoego
In: Literary, Novel Excerpt 2 reviews
1 new
In the previous chapter a Jesuit had counseled Stan to go find a good Catholic girl, get married and dedicate his 1st born son to be a priest. Stan visits his aunt in Savanna & meets Holly at church.

 

 

 

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts May 24, 2012 - 6:20am

Update, another 5 star review? Kind of strange to see.

 

Maybe I just haven't been in the workshop for a while but I think some people could spend some more time on their reviews with actual useful opinions. Maybe the star thing is to pander for points, or maybe I'm just an asshole for considering that instead of helping new reviewers.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 6:23am

I have noticed some reviewers don't even put notes up. Just a star review, a sentence and a LBL (if they even put one up). We have the intro thread and several about reviewing, but I don't think people are reading it. 

 

 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 24, 2012 - 6:37am

" Just a star review, a sentence and a LBL"

If the LBL is detailed, I think this is fine. 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry May 24, 2012 - 6:50am

As do I.  I don't believe it is necessary to do the LBL and then a synopsis of the LBL.  If there are some things you see generally with the story that are overarching, then absolutely, go ahead and put that in the comments section.  If, rather than correcting a semi-colon here and there you realize they just need to read a grammar guide, that's the place for it.  But it's not a must.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry May 24, 2012 - 6:56am

And:

5 star reviews?  Come on.  The workshop is no place to inflate egos.  It is the the home of purging fire.  Read this, 5 star reviewer!

I'm not saying some stories don't deserve 5 stars.  If one day the ghost of Borges posts a story in the workshop, that story probably would.  But don't give 5 stars to avoid hurting feelings.  I hate getting fewer than 5 stars.  I need to get fewer than 5 stars, though, and if you give them to me without my submitting a flawless story that will win some vast international award for amazingness, I probably won't be able to give you full points.

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 24, 2012 - 6:56am

I have no idea how to fix it, and it's irritating. I want my work to be torn to shreds. I don't come here for a pat on the back and a hug.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 7:07am

It does seem to be getting worse....I just don't think people know what to do, or don't care or they just don't bother reading the guides we have posted or something. 

Yeah, brutal reviews suck, really, really suck, but no one is here is keep their writing as is and even though I have gotten really butt hurt about some reviews, in the end, the more brutal a review is, the better I get. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 24, 2012 - 7:17am

I think brutal reviews are important.  And they don't reflect on you as a person.  If I was hard on your story, it doesn't mean you are a worthless person.  It means you should work on the things I pointed out to you.  If I didn't care, I wouldn't review.  If I can't give it 100%, I don't want to do it.  If I tear up your story...take it as a compliment!!!!  (did you buy that?)

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts May 24, 2012 - 7:19am

As do I.  I don't believe it is necessary to do the LBL and then a synopsis of the LBL.  If there are some things you see generally with the story that are overarching, then absolutely, go ahead and put that in the comments section.  If, rather than correcting a semi-colon here and there you realize they just need to read a grammar guide, that's the place for it.  But it's not a must.

This is too long to be a mantra, so maybe it can be carved in stone somewhere. I think every review should have some generalized talk, even with a detailed LBL, but if the story is that good (or that incredibly bad) you could skip the LBL and focus on bigger aspects. That's what a good review should be, if you don't have useful things to say then don't bother trying to milk the workshop. Improve your own writing if you can't improve others.

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voodoo_em from England is reading All the books by Tana French! May 24, 2012 - 7:41am

Because most of my LBL take me an hour or more to do (usually they have a lot of notes) I tend to only leave a brief comment because I'd just be repeating myself. Also some people delete their submission posts after a while and then all feedback is lost except for possible the LBL they have downloaded.

As for the stars, they just inflate egos or destroy confidence - personally I don't put much stock in them.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like May 24, 2012 - 7:47am

If there are some things you see generally with the story that are overarching, then absolutely, go ahead and put that in the comments section.

That's basically all I do. 

Are LBLs a bonus or are they the standard?  If I never do a LBL am I shirking my duties?

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 7:54am

I liked my cake. It was nice. 

I wouldn't call it shrinking on anything, but I try to always make a LBL and then a couple pointers in the notes section. The more helpful stuff you can do for the author, the better they'll be in the end. 

I really could have done away with the star ratings though. Somehow they don't seem constructive. 

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts May 24, 2012 - 8:12am

The benefits for me of doing LBLs for other people is it keeps me brushed up on grammar and all the basic story mechanics that make up a good story, it's practice for all the stuff I don't actually think about when writing so hopefully it's all burned in and happens instinctively when I'm writing my own story.

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. May 24, 2012 - 8:12am

I might be in the minority here. Maybe. Gonna say it anyway though.

LBLs are neither a bonus or the standard. If you like writing them, and find it a good way to get your comments over then great! I have some issues with them though.

I don't usually do them though. Not anymore.

Stories in this kind of workshop are (almost always!!!!) works in progress. They are not being final copy edited. I have gotton so many LBL reviews in the past that have offered no critical contruction whatsoever, but have just basically been (sometimes poorly done) grammar checks. They debate my placement of commas but dont offer a thing regarding the plot, or structure, or anything else I am looking for feedback on. I don't want that. I try not to do that for other people.

We all have spellcheckers these days. And we should all be trying to get up to scratch on our usage of grammar. It's a given. Noone needs five or six LBL reviews that all say the same thing because none of the reviewers looked at the other LBLs first. Please assume that I will be going over the story again, and that I will be catching that 'their' for 'there' that I left in my first draft.

I feel LBL type reviewing and editing is for 'finished' work, where if a tiny error remains, the author is probably unaware and would benefit from being picked up on it.

WIP stuff though - what is needed is general feedback, and for that a LBL is not needed. Comments on the workshop submission thread are just fine.

 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry May 24, 2012 - 8:16am

Are LBLs a bonus or are they the standard?  If I never do a LBL am I shirking my duties?

I don't think you're shirking at all.  I think a good mix of both types of review is beneficial.  Personally, I don't tend to do the overall, big system reviews because I'm not very good at them.  So I stick with LBLs, mostly.  But that's just because they are the way I can give the most value to the story I'm reviewing.

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. May 24, 2012 - 8:17am

I think ulitmately, what I would write in a review is what I would tell you about the story if if you passed me the story in person and said "what do you think of this first draft?" and I were giving you feedback face-to-face. I'd tell you what I like about it and what I didn't. I wouldn't be focussing on grammar, becuase you told me it was a draft.

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. May 24, 2012 - 8:20am

And Utah - providing you are working some actual feedback into those comments then that is absolutely fine, but doesn't it seem an extended process to you?

I am not saying there are no good LBL reviewers, but I think those people make extra work for themselves (and for the author too, having to keep flicking between LBL files can be irksome).

 

 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 24, 2012 - 8:25am

I LBL review.  And I just can't do it otherwise and feel I'm giving anything of value.  I have to make notes as I go.  That said - I am a grammar nazi.  I point that stuff out.  Because I see it, and maybe you didn't, and I'd feel badly if I didn't.  But I do try and give comments abotu what works for me, what doesn't, and what I think could be added or taken away.  For me, the LBL allows me to be very detailed in my points. 

I understand why others don't do them, and I see nothing wrong with that at all.  It's just the way I feel best working. 

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks May 24, 2012 - 8:33am

I don't think making grammar notes on a first draft is necessarily a bad thing. For one, I'm almost always grammar error free, and I need that second set of eyes because if I didn't catch it in the first draft, I almost certainly won't catch it later.

Second, there are some people here who don't follow basic grammar rules and aren't trying to improve. I've seen second drafts of work that had three or four LBLs that almost completely focus on grammar -- and the grammar edits aren't even taken into account. Half the time, I recorrect the grammar. The other half of the time, I mention in the comment-review that they had a hell of a lot of errors of this type or that and move on.

That said, if I do a grammar-LBL, my text review is typically lengthy. I try to at least cover why I gave each category the rating I did (although I frequently skip over structure, because I just don't understand how it applies in some situations) and any notes.

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts May 24, 2012 - 8:42am

I use LBLs more as map to show where and why I'm making the comments I'm making. It almost illustrates the difference between how the story is at that point and how it would look if it were as good as I thought it could be, the actual visual shape of a story is really helpful to me for making these points. It also allows me to include my thoughts as a reader on the first read, so I can show exactly where you're losing me or where a reader who is not as clever as the writer might go off the rails.

In the other review group that is all people I'm familiar with and trust, and all better writers than me, they know what I'm asking for (I specifically state what kind of advice I'm looking for) so I rarely get LBLs, but when I do get one that fixes typos and lets me know where I should add a line for clarity, I'm usually sending that story out in the next twenty minutes. The interaction between me and my critiquers is very smooth. I don't expect it would be like that here as it requires an okay level of trust and familiarity of everyone's styles (plus, again, I can trust that they're all better than me. But sometime's you want non-writer reader responses.)

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 8:44am

It does get a little frustrating seeing the same mistakes over and over while reviewing. Like maybe their ego can't take it or something. I have gotten to the point I link essays or website that will help with things. I don't think people read them, but if they don't listen to me, maybe they'll listen to someone else. In the end, it is only my opinion. Right or wrong. Or I'll just rewrite the sentence to show how I think it would be better, which I guess is faux pas

It is even shitier to see the same bad reviews over and over as well. 

I will keep doing LBLs. They take forever on longer pieces, but I have to. I feel like a cheating people if I don't give it my full attention and give them feedback on everything. In the end I am committed to making everyone a better writer and myself by proxy. 

 

I do however like this deep, word nerd tone the forums have taken lately. 

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated May 24, 2012 - 8:58am

I think in our attempts to help people get better we are all to hesitant to give a 5 star. I'm not saying across the board,  but if the characters were great go ahead on that one.

And if I don't give a LBL I feel like I'm wasting everyone's time.

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War May 24, 2012 - 9:09am

I give three points no matter what the reviewer has to offer even if they offer nothing that I find helpful.  Maybe if it is particularly unhelpful  PM the reviewer and let them know. It can come off as sour grapes I guess but if its done without ego I think it would work. I haven't had it happen to me but I have seen it happen to other people lately. I welcome that input regarding my reviews, if I am not giving any help please tell me.  We are trying to help each other, reviewing is part of the learning process for me and I want to learn as much as possible.

Star rating suck, they are all over the place. You see five stars across the board and then the next reviewer gives two and three star ratings.  I would personally like if they didn't exist but it is what it is.  I try to rate according to my comments but a lot of times they don't apply.

I am happy with any critique, grammar included. 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner May 24, 2012 - 9:13am

@Dwayne If I ever read something that is five star (which is very rare) I'll throw it out. Five star to me means: do not change one fucking thing. 

"PM the reviewer and let them know."

This is great advice. 

Star rating suck, they are all over the place. You see five stars across the board and then the next reviewer gives two and three star ratings"

Maybe there is a glitch or something? 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters May 24, 2012 - 9:14am

I have noticed that if the first review gives 5 stars, the next reviewer seems to have something to prove and it will be HARDCORE.