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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 5, 2012 - 8:21am

Excellent!

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Jack Campbell Jr. from Lawrence, KS is reading American Rust by Phillipp Meyer June 5, 2012 - 8:24am

I'm not even in the workshop and I think it would be pointless. Like averydoll said, it is a waste of the reviewers time. They could be reviewing other stories, or even writing something of their own. At worst, it could be seen as a form of plagerism. You are passing someone else's work off as your own, even if you do come out later and give them credit.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters June 5, 2012 - 8:33am

And you are taking away time I could be spending reviewing the work of someone who actually wants/needs/deserves help on their own original work. 

EDIT: Good call, Chip.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 8:53am

We could always make it a double blind and voluntary. So someone submits two stories, six people volunteer to review but don't know if the story they're reviewing is from one of the greats or not. Three review the main story, three review the double blind story. 

I think we're taking this way too serious. 

 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters June 5, 2012 - 8:56am

Or just use the workshop as it's meant to be used and quit trying to be a douche about it. 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 8:58am

Why? It's my money, I'll do what I want with it. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters June 5, 2012 - 8:59am

You're right.  Keep being a douche about it.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 9:00am

I'd be very curious to see the results.  I think it'd be an interesting experiment, but if someone did it to me without my consent, I'd be annoyed.  Then again, if I knew I was involved, it would alter my perception of what I was reading.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 9:02am

Right which is why you would volunteer, but wouldn't know which story you're reviewing. Just a thought. It'll never happen, but it would be neat. 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 5, 2012 - 9:02am

You gotta keep it scientific. 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 9:02am

@AD I am not fighting with you about something pointless any longer. Feel however you want to. 

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underpurplemoon from PDX June 5, 2012 - 9:24am

People! Can't we all just get along?

Oh gawd, I crack myself up when I'm on this site.

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 10:20am

I used to workshop on another site that had a little trick where they would give you a block of 3 stories to review, and one of them would be a famous work, and you would guess which was which.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 11:27am

How did it work out?

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. June 5, 2012 - 11:32am

I would be pissed if I found out that someone submitted a published work of another author (it's fine if you put up your own work that's been published - if you're looking to revise it).  Not because of being tricked into critiquing something (because I will critique the shit out of any author with suggestions - because they are just suggestions), but because if the time I spent critiquing and trying to help someone was just a 'joke', I'd feel like you didn't owe the workshop money, you'd owe me money.  

Also, it would be plagiarism unless you had the author's permission (even if he's dead and his work is copyright free).  

I don't think Avery is in a bad mood, because I'd probably react worse than she would to that.  

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. June 5, 2012 - 11:34am

Not that it's gonna happen.  I'm just continuing the debate.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters June 5, 2012 - 11:36am

I can always count on howie to be the voice of reason. 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 11:36am

No if we did it, it would have to be voluntary and double blind. I think just dropping it on people would be wrong on alot of levels. It'll never happen, but I'd be interested in the results.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. June 5, 2012 - 11:39am

Well, if it's voluntary, then I think it would be a fun experiment.  If it were a 'trick/joke', then it makes me irrationally angry.  And you woulnd't like me when I'm irrationally angry.

Well, maybe you would.  I'm actually quite polite in a passive aggressive manner right before I mark you with my urine to establish dominance and territory.

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 11:42am

Well, at the other site it rose up and dropped out very quickly. I think a lot of people complained that even through they were expressly warned that it was happening, they were too tricky. Then again, that site was full of morons--no worries round these here parts!

People disliked it with an intensity bordering on religious mania. But, as I say, they were blithering idiots. Theirs also cost money (I think it was 3/4 bucks for every story you wanted posted for review), so maybe the people thought the 'ringer' stories would negatively impact their precious little unicorn turds. I mean, stories.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 11:45am

How did the reviews look? Any different? Any eye opening type things? 

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 2:19pm

Proof that I am warranted in my irrational fear of Howie, yes! Haha

Stupid and pointless I think, you would have to take in consideration all sorts of factors the most important being the intelligence of the reader and their ability to critique any work. An idiot is gonna be an idiot no matter what they are reading. There is also the simple fact that even some of the greats more obscure works just aren't that great. I might get roasted for this statement but Roberto Bolano's family is releasing hand over fist everything that man ever wrote, they aren't all 2666.
Then you have to take into consideration personal taste, a lot of people on this site can't see past their genre of choice and readily admit it. Anyways I could go on and on about the inability to have a control group to actually make this experiment mean anything. A lot of authors don't submerge the I, they write with passive voices, they don't go on the body, they break a lot of rules that this site has ingrained in their subconscious as golden.
Wow, I digress haha WTF no idea why I went on about that.

Just really wanted to cower in fear to Howies greatness lol

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 2:24pm

Self-whoring:  I've got a new story up if anybody's on here this evening.  It's 1000 words.  Easy breezy.

Thanks.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. June 5, 2012 - 2:29pm

Stacy, will you marry me?

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 2:41pm

@ Howie I'm not falling for your trickery, I would be shackled in some basement for sure. Not that I'm not into that sorta thing lol

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry June 5, 2012 - 2:43pm

Awww!  It looks like another LitRomance in the making!

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 2:52pm

I'm rolling up the windows Utah!

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Jack Campbell Jr. from Lawrence, KS is reading American Rust by Phillipp Meyer June 5, 2012 - 2:53pm

Wow, I tried to avoid making the point that any criticism about a major author's story may be totally justified, but Stacy showed no fear at all in that regard. Well done.

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 2:53pm

J.Y, I am going to hurt your story tonight, for that time in another thread where you may or may not have said something rude to me! If that wasn't you, then screw it, I'm still going to rip yours to shreds because I saw the word epistolary in your synopsis. I am the sesquipedalianist here, not you.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 3:06pm

Honestly, I think your shit is kinda funny, JGB.  But...  I'm WARNING you...  if you flame my story, I won't be angry.  Everybody knows.

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 3:16pm

I wanna marry Jeffrey Grant Bar haha

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 3:26pm

Dammit. Confounded! My rapacious esurience for the sweet nectar of your human emotions must be satiated!

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 3:27pm

Good post Stacy, also long time, no see! 

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. June 5, 2012 - 3:31pm

Damn it, always a bridesmaid, never a psychotic kidnapper.

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 3:33pm

Thanks Matt, looking good btw. Been actually writing, now procrastinating. :-)

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 3:33pm

Thank ya. I try. I want to read some more of your stuff, haven't got an email from you in forever! 

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 3:43pm

I'm posting in the workshop, Mr. Workshop whore haha I am gonna post the next part of my story soon you can whore it out :-)

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner June 5, 2012 - 3:43pm

Haha, you know I only brings the finest words. It'll be my best ho.

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 3:45pm

All this talk of whores reminds me that I'm not ready to settle down, so sorry StacyStacy. More's the pity, too: I am downright devastating in bed.

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 3:51pm

Haha, I'll wait for you in my room full of unicorns and rainbows, crying myself to sleep

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Chris Davis from Indiana is reading A Feast of Snakes by Harry Crews June 5, 2012 - 3:52pm

I have some free time tonight.  Does anyone need a review on something under 5,000 words. Heads up I don't usually do lbl's since most people on here have better grammar than I do.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 3:53pm

esurience

That was a new one.

Are you a bot?

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Chris Davis from Indiana is reading A Feast of Snakes by Harry Crews June 5, 2012 - 3:53pm

first come first serve I will probably just have time for a couple.

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 3:58pm

Rapacious esurience - a little redundant ;-)

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 4:13pm

True, but I like to throw in as many 50-cent words as possible.

Also, of course, rapacious is the modifier of esurience, and in this case, each word refers to a different item. Now, I know it's de rigueur around here to just throw in an adverb and a couple of commas to describe things, but I think you're worth the extra effort. 

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 4:17pm

Ahh you had me at de rigueur

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life June 5, 2012 - 4:21pm

See, I told you that you're worth it. I knew it.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 4:43pm

Just an open question -- does anybody think we should be able to lock our submissions?  My first I deleted entirely.  The second I removed and replaced with a "thanks but it's gone" message, but the LBLs are still there.  Shouldn't I be able to get the number of reviews I want, keep the comment thread, and not have my story continue to be available for download if I so choose?  Does anybody else that would be a useful option?

(this may have been discussed elsewhere)

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Stacy Kear from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War June 5, 2012 - 4:49pm

If you remove it why do you want to keep the comment thread? You gave the points, downloaded the LBL's, what other purpose is there?  Other people aren't interested in reading comments on a work that isn't available to review. 

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like June 5, 2012 - 4:50pm

1 - so I can read them

2 - so there's a record of what was there