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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 23, 2013 - 3:02pm

Would love some feedback at the end of this on the whole thing, from anyone active on the discussion pages - whether you read them all, or a portion.

So far, I've seen a fair few stories that are obviously the start of something bigger, and I wonder if that is what most litreactors are doing. Whereas I'm very much about the short story form as a be-all and end all. (Which doesn't mean i won't contemplate something longer, but my submission, Xenophobe, was very much the end of that particular storyline.

Other questions include people doing SciFi - many for the first time, the preponderance of AI characters, and I guess the split between dystopia and utopias.

Finally - and maybe the dystopia swung this - the scarcity of pieces with humour or fun involved . Is the future really so bleak?!

All thoughts on this and other "whole competition" views gratefully welcome!

Liam

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 23, 2013 - 3:04pm

p.s. 500 comments on this discussion thread! (not me personally you understand!) - make that 502!

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 23, 2013 - 3:20pm

@Liam I just noticed that the thread had topped 500 and we still have a week left!  If I remember correctly, the thread for Scare-Us topped out around 290 or so.

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Cipherscribe from Michigan, but all my exes live in Texas. is reading Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight March 23, 2013 - 5:00pm

This challenge had definitely increased my interest in the site. I love the feedback so far. I'm getting to new stories as I can. Here's mine if anyone's interested: http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/chip-head

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Nathan Scalia from Kansas is reading so many things March 23, 2013 - 5:04pm

Hey Liam, I did notice that most of the stories are clearly dystopic. Which makes sense, considering that a utopian setting would definitionally involve no conflict, which makes for a desperately boring story. My story might me the most utopian I've seen.

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 24, 2013 - 2:58am

Ah, the joy of a utopia is it very rarely is for everyone involved, and they collapse! I count mine amongst the utopia's, and I count only the setting at the start of yours. Anyone else want to pipe up for a Utopia? I'd suspect Last Dance and Call me Tim could be considered making the best of a bad (elderly) future, so I'm half inclined to include them, lets see if their authors agree!

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klahol from Stockholm, Sweden is reading Black Moon March 24, 2013 - 5:37am

I'm pretty sure my world would be considered a dystopia by most. Perversely, most people would consider actual interaction with relatives preferable to a fully virtual life. 

Also, I envision the world the old man and Tim shares as anything but a perfect world. It needs to be an interesting world. But it's a world where you walk over the burning corpses of your own soldiers. 

 

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Linda from Sweden is reading Fearful Symmetries March 24, 2013 - 12:22pm

^Yeah it did not strike me as a happy place. Especially with an image of the "real world" at the back of the head, it's hard to embrace even the positive aspects of the alternative reality.

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Nathalie from France March 24, 2013 - 5:31pm

Can't believe a week and so many posts went by since the last time I checked this thread!

I reviewed what feels like a ridiculously low number of stories compared to the 159 produced (argh) but always tried to leave 'useful' and sincere feedbacks. I feel everybody is a bit under the weather, my story hasn't moved for few weeks now.

Planning to download a bunch of them to read while in the plane tomorrow. Already noticed several titles mentioned several times here. That's how I discovered AffirmNation that was a great read, thanks to @klahol's advice. 

Hopefully more soon, before the month ends!

 

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Wendy Hammer from Indiana is reading One Night in Sixes March 25, 2013 - 6:18am

This is the first challenge I've participated in and it has been great fun. I've always been a fan of dystopia and post-apocalyptic fiction so this called to me. I knew immediately which direction I would want to go in.  Utopia is interesting, but I apparently lean toward the gloomier side...that and I think that Utopia is much more personal and subjective for me. I like a touch more distance or something. 

I've never written science-fiction before and I liked the challenge.  I'm not entirely new to the genre because I've read it, but I've never tried my hand at it. I loved it. World-building is addictive and I liked the puzzle. I felt like a villain (mwa-ha-ha!) while I tried to create a world that would exploit workers in an insidious way. How can you make people so comfortable with it that they don't even realize it's going on? The plausible technology part was the most daunting. A half-assed idea and a little research helped me to convince myself that it could fly.  

All in all, I really loved how this pushed me in new directions. I thought in different ways, set up fun problems for myself, and worked in a shorter form.  As you can see from my reply, brevity isn't my strength. I've been working through the second draft of a novel and it was so good to work with something relatively short and sweet. 

From the comments, it is pretty apparent that I need to expand it a bit, but I still want to keep it tight. That will be fun.  I've received excellent feedback (well, except for my first downvote--someone who began by saying something about not knowing what the fuss was about).  And yet, even the sour guy had some decent advice buried under the rest. 

I agree with what so many have said before. Reading other stories has been so valuable.  I got lots of great tips in this discussion (reading and otherwise).  I've liked every story I've read that was mentioned here. I've appreciated every reader. Thanks to klahol, Nathalie, and others who have said nice things about AffirmNation. 

I'm excited to stick around after the challenge. 

Final note.  Liam, I am now semi-obsessed with the idea of a comic dystopia. Hmmm. Could be fun. 

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 25, 2013 - 6:22am

Anyone out there who isn't working through them all, and isn't exclusively using the Random button, and who wants a reason to add (yet) another story, please add mine! http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/xenophobe

Ah yes, the reason bit... well, it's more likely to make you laugh than many of the dark imaginings here, it's generally been very well received, and heck... I've read and commented on oodles more than have read and commented on mine and would love it if you helped nudge this one along ... oh, and I did say "please". There, that should do it!

Kind regards, and thanks,

Liam

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Fhhakansson from Sweden is reading Odd Interlude - Dean Koontz March 25, 2013 - 1:47pm

I only use the random button now but read Liam's Xenophone a few days ago. It's well worth a read :) http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/xenophobe

 

Regards, Fredrik

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 25, 2013 - 2:06pm

Cheers Fredrik! Don't forget to plug your own... never mind, I'll do it for you!

http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/our-masters

Grin!

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EdVaughn from Louisville, Ky is reading a whole bunch of different stuff March 25, 2013 - 4:42pm

Well, we've only got about a week left of this thing so I suppose I'll beg for a couple more reviews. I have a busy week ahead but I hope to read a few more before it's all said and done.

http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/electra

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CKevin from Charleston, SC is reading Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch March 25, 2013 - 7:43pm

Evening all,

I'll join in the groveling and begging for a second time for some more eyes on my work: Theotokos. I only have a half dozen reviews so far (fortunately all positive) but am willing to take a bashing if warranted so I can squeeze as much out of it as possible.

I am time limited but still slowly working through reading and commenting on other submissions, including those that commented on mine. If anyone is really in need of some more critiques feel free to PM me with your link. Otherwise, I'll just go through the postings above to see what captures my attention.

Sorry I've been absent from this forum for the most part but I am really enjoying the Teleport Us challenge and think there are some really good writers here who have awesome works that challenge and enlighten me. I can't wait to see where it goes from here.

Cheers!

C.

http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/theotokos

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Sarah Cannon March 27, 2013 - 7:56am

I'm now employing the random button, though I've made a point of getting to anyone's who commented on mine, in addition to the ones that have reached out and grabbed me as I've browsed.

Liam, I may be one of the people you're talking about, though my issue is more my inexperience with shorts than an effort to shoehorn an excerpt into short story form...I am working on my second draft of a YA sci-fi, and I wanted to know more about some of my secondary characters. A friend in my writers' group had mentioned he sometimes used shorts to explore side plots and characters, and then this contest popped up.

I hadn't written a short in many years, and it shows.

My comments on Hiram Wakes are overall positive, but also say that it feels a bit compressed or rushed, and I agree. I don't know how much revision I'll do on this specific piece, but I'll use the feedback I've gotten to hone future efforts. Writing a polished, well-conceived short story is something I want to learn to do well.

But it's nice to get a sense of whether my worldbuilding and characters breathe, and overall I think that's a yes. (It's also fun to watch people guess who the non-human characters are. There are a couple of arguments to be made.)

Really enjoying reading everyone's work. I have two stories open on my desktop right now, The Space Bar and She Brings God Fire, Mere Mortals.

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 28, 2013 - 5:00am

@Sarah - you're in good company, and I think the desire to know more means they are (very) good beginnings, but as a short story specialist (too lazy to attempt something longer!), I am intrigued by what people intended when they wrote their pieces. Killing off your protagonist is definitely the clearest signal I could think of that this particular story was over! But a number of stories almost deliberately leave things so open-ended you're just screaming for the next chapter to begin!

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 27, 2013 - 7:56pm

@Liam Finally made it to Xenophobe!  Good job on that one!

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klahol from Stockholm, Sweden is reading Black Moon March 27, 2013 - 11:17pm

For two months, now, this forum and the challenge has given me LitReactor OCD. I find myself checking my story for new reads every hour of every day. I am so grateful for all of you who have taken the time to read, thumb, and comment on my story and I love getting to know the community and getting new friends. It has been a privilege. 

That said, damn, it's gonna be a relief when this challenge closes in a few days. Maybe I can start giving the kids and the family some attention for a change. 

For about two weeks. Then it's time for The Choreography of Violence with John Skipp. *sigh* Damn. Here we go again. 

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 28, 2013 - 12:24am

I'm with you there Klahol. It's been a superb contest to be a part of, and I've learned a great deal. Trying to read and comment on every story has been time-consuming to say the least. I've not written much at all since my contest entry, and I'm looking forward to getting back to normality.

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 28, 2013 - 9:21am

I’ve finished!


All 159 stories read and commented on. Couldn’t break it down to a top ten, but I’d highly recommend the following (still a few days left to read them if you haven’t already done so):


Implant
Anomaly
Call Me Tim
Kinju
Ubi Cor Ibi Domu
Yes, Admin
Last Man On Mars
Of Flesh & Steel
Bad Signal
She Brings God Fire, Mere Mortals
To The Dogs
One Tunguska Story
Gravidism

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C Patrick Neagle from Portland, Oregon is reading words, words, words March 28, 2013 - 9:22am

I had such high hopes for getting a lot of reading done here in in March, but life has snuck up on me (oh, and, well, I'll admit that there might have been a two-day Fringe marathon binge, too). Now I'm just trying to get to everyone who read mine and hope to throw in a handful of others before the end of the challenge.

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Ethan Cooper from Longview, TX is reading The Kill Room, Heart-Shaped Box, Dr. Sleep March 28, 2013 - 10:12am

@Adam Jenkins, oh wow, you are a reading/commenting MACHINE! (clearly, not human).

Well done! I raise a drink (the Sunkist on my desk) to you, good sir!

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 28, 2013 - 10:01am

Well done Adam! Anyone else managed or expecting to manage the marathon task?  Me, I've admitted defeat a while back, and have read maybe a quarter, but still, thats twice as many as have read Xenophobe

hint, hint... :)

Liam

 

 

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 28, 2013 - 10:03am

@Liam I have about 23 left.  If all goes well, I hope to finish those in the next few days!  Well see if I make or not ; )

@Adam Congrats! and ARGH! You beat me too it ;)

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SamaLamaWama from Dallas is reading Something Wicked This Way Comes March 28, 2013 - 10:05am

@Adam Jenkins. Ethan is right. You're a machine. Maybe you're the non-human character of this story and we're all just minor characters. Then that would make everything I know about my world just a figment of my imagination. As long as I think I can do something, the possibilities are endless!  

Damn, I just fell off my desk trying to jump like Trinity does in the Matrix. It didn't work. Crap, now my ankle hurts. Oh well. Back to reality. Thanks for being awesome and giving everyone a review.

I can vouch that your story is great too. http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/the-memory-remains

~Sam

 

 

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Ethan Cooper from Longview, TX is reading The Kill Room, Heart-Shaped Box, Dr. Sleep March 31, 2013 - 1:19pm

These are the stories that just won't get out of my head (jerks!):

Yes, Admin
Implant
An Incy Wincy Holocaust
kill (command)
It's not what it looks like
Adaptive
Mike and Mary
Big Bang, Inc.
Fracture

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 28, 2013 - 12:18pm

If I'm a machine, can someone kindly please set my programming to writing now!

It was easy to want to continue reading. Had the quality been poor I would have given up weeks ago. I was very impressed with how good all the stories were. I found the contest from a random link I followed on Twitter, which I never do. Incredibly glad I did now. I've learned a lot from the comments on my story, but I've got far more out of reading the other entries.

Thanks for the story push Sam!

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Tom Elias from Maine is reading Everything I can afford or that is within arms' reach. March 28, 2013 - 8:23pm

Well, I saw the notice about the close of ratings.  I think this has been a great experience overall.  Again, thanks to everyone who read and rated my story.  I'm a bit disappointed I didn't do better, but this format now is less a mystery to me, so the next contest I'll show up for dressed correctly.

I'm hoping some prizes are handed out on a basis other than number of thumbs-ups... or am I mistaken?

 

Anyone care to check mine out if you have not?  Drilling down to page seven of 32 is understandably daunting... http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/dog-star

 

 

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 28, 2013 - 8:33pm

Close of ratings? I thought we had a few more days?

Ohhh, just found the notice you were talking about! Don't scare me like that!

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 29, 2013 - 4:01am

Hey @Adam Jenkins, the geek in me wants to know - what now if you click on the random button? It's supposed to not take you to a story you've read and rated, so if you've read them all...

(Liam would like to apologise if anytime in the next day or so the universe disappears in a puff of logic...)

 

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 29, 2013 - 4:42am

I'm guessing the random button is done on the thumbs, as it took me back to my own submission (which obviously I haven't voted on).

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 29, 2013 - 4:48am

Ha! Funny. I SO wanted to upvote my own piece. I may even have tried. It ignored me (as it should!)

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 29, 2013 - 4:49am

I still try... one day it will work!

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Johann Thorsson from Reykjavik, Iceland is reading Echo Lake March 29, 2013 - 5:51am

Hey guys. My story, Defiance, has been getting good reviews but could still use a few readers. After this is done I am definitely going to send it around to magazines and see if publishers want it.

Now, with the self-promotion out of the way, I'd like start by thanking those of you that already gave it a read and a review, and I'd like to mention two stories that stood out for me so far:

The Human Argument

AffirmNation

And now... I'm gonna start abusing that random button. ;)

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Liam Hogan from Earth is reading Hugo Nominations March 29, 2013 - 5:55am

Final thoughts before I wander off for Easter!

A lot of stories are bumping against the 4000 word limit. I guess we all want to be novellists, but I'd recommend aiming at 3000, which gives you scope for overrun, without feeling like you're shortchanging some aspect. (Me, I am "trained" to write 2000 word pieces, so I had even more to play with than normal!)

Simple story that was well under 4000 and works in entirety - Last Dance

If you ARE going to write a novel, remember that this is a short story first and foremost. It has to deliver it's own arc. It is best therefore, to hold back a lot of the detail, to not therefore get every aspect of your story into that opening chapters, only the ones that are needed for the story. Do it right, and people want more, miss,  and they need but don't necessarily want more!

A good one that I can see at novel length, but also works as short story : Higher Minds

If you're going to tell a story from the point of view of an AI, firstly, reconsider! Tell it from someone very close to the AI but human (A Singular Insect) OR make that AI as flawed a being as a human. Otherwise you get into the trap of trying to describe the thought process of something more intelligent than you as an author... tricky and very hard to pull off! AI does appear to be way more popular than actual honest to god Aliens, I guess nobody believes in E.T anymore!

Finally, Technology does not always need to be explained. Nor how we got from now to the world you describe. If you tell your story as if you were telling it to someone from the same world, then you don't need to go into detail, you just need to know yourself what these things do, and use them to colour your world. This avoids infodump and history lessons, (imagine breaking off a description of what you watched on TV last night, with an explanation of how a CRT works...) and even allows you to surprise the reader as you go along - The Gorund for example would have been ruined, if what a Gorund was was described the first time we meet him!

Thanks all, sorry I couldn't get to read them all, hope my comments on those stories I did read were helpful, and good luck with those mysterious prizes...

Liam (Author of Xenophobe)

 

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C Patrick Neagle from Portland, Oregon is reading words, words, words March 29, 2013 - 6:49am

@Johann Thorsson: Awww, thanks!

@Adam Jenkins: Congratulations! Excellent work. Have you considered a job in the slush pile field? :-)

 

--Patrick

The Human Argument

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Wendy Hammer from Indiana is reading One Night in Sixes March 29, 2013 - 11:32am

Johann:

Thanks so much for the mention!  

I cannot believe that I missed your story!  You were the first commenter on mine and I think that was before I figured out how to navigate around the site. It's not much of an excuse, but it's all I have.

 I've now remedied that oversight and I'm glad I did.  I liked your story a lot.  It had a really cool perspective/narrator. 

 

--Wendy

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Joe P from Brainerd, MN is reading Pet Sematary March 30, 2013 - 5:23am

Well folks, April is all but upon us! A lot of talent out there. Is there time for one last shameless plug?http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/sapience

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 30, 2013 - 2:18pm

only 7 more to go! It will be nice to have time to write again!

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 30, 2013 - 7:31pm

And Done! For a while there, I didn't think I was going to make it all the way through! I'm not quite sure how many I read, a story disappeared on the last page before I got to it. Still, I've read everything still in the competition! YAYA

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) March 30, 2013 - 10:54pm

Excellent, congrats on finishing!

Any particular favourites that spring to mind? It would be interesting to compare lists.

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SamaLamaWama from Dallas is reading Something Wicked This Way Comes March 31, 2013 - 6:42am

Congrats ArlaneEnarla!!  Thanks so much for taking on that beast of a task. I really appreciated your review and I know others do too.  Thank you for making sure no one was left out.  ~Sam 

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. March 31, 2013 - 11:54am

My Favorites, in no particular order:

  • The Gorund
  • Rings
  • Anamoly
  • Ubi Cor Ibi Domu
  • The Machinery of Xmas
  • Fracture
  • One Tunguska Story
  • Gravidism
  • An Incy Wincy Holocaust
  • Corporate Person
  • Of Flesh and Steel
  • Higher Minds
  • State of the Art
  • The Song of the Ship
  • A Song for my Brother
  • The Last Dance
  • His Man Stanley
  • The Memory Remains
  • Sunken Hearts
  • Yes, Admin
  • The Human Argument
  • The Demon Chef
  • Kill (command)
  • Chip Head
  • Deep Sleep
  • The Business Spirit
  • An Incident at Winter House 12
  • The Horse With No Head

That list is way too long and I'm not sure I could prune it more than that.  If I'd been keeping a favorites list from the beginning this might have had this a little more organized.  There were so many good stories! 

http://chrissalch.com/2013/03/31/teleport-us-done/

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Adam Jenkins from Bracknell, England is reading RCX Magazine (Issue 1 coming soon) April 1, 2013 - 9:10am

As the end is almost upon us, I just wanted to say a quick thank you to everyone who read and commented on my story. This was the first time I'd ever posted a story for 'public' consumption, and the response has blown me away. That the majority of readers seem to like it has been gratifying to say the least. More important to me has been how useful the comments have been. It has been eye-opening yet confidence boosting.

I've also been impressed with the quality of stories on show, and have enjoyed reading through them all and learning from them.

Roll on next year!

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Joe P from Brainerd, MN is reading Pet Sematary April 1, 2013 - 4:50pm

So now that the contest is all but done, I've picked my top 3. If I could give 'me two thumbs up, I would. Without further ado, here's my picks:

#3 How to lose your heart, Escape a dying planet, and tell a joke on Mars by Tim Needles.

Love the long title. And it delivers.
http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/how-to-lose-your-heart-escape-a...

#2 Diet or Die by Katie Woodzick
Great "non-human character."
http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/diet-or-die

#1 Implant by ArlaneEnalra
This one is solid! Great characters, great twists. Just awesome!
http://litreactor.com/events/teleport-us/implant

This contest surprised me with how many talented writers are out there. Nice job to everyone who submitted!

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Joe P from Brainerd, MN is reading Pet Sematary April 1, 2013 - 4:52pm

Whoops double post.

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Joe P from Brainerd, MN is reading Pet Sematary April 1, 2013 - 4:56pm

Triple post. Can I delete these some how???

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Joe P from Brainerd, MN is reading Pet Sematary April 1, 2013 - 4:54pm

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ArlaneEnalra from Texas is reading Right now I'm editing . . .. April 1, 2013 - 6:15pm

@Joe P. Wow! I'm honored to have made your top 3! (and that multi-post thing can be annoying. I've done it more than once from my phone!)