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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 8, 2014 - 9:44am

To many years to do it, but finished Skull-Fairy Dance. How are short story collections generally critted in writing groups? I have a lot of Fantasy and Science fiction, even though my taste has leaned more toward the bizarre contemporary these days. Like a good mindfuck, for example.

Is it a story at a time, or does one just show a group the whole book?

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Jake Leroy from Kansas City is reading Jesus' Son, by Denis Johnson, and Hot Water Music, by Charles Bukowski September 8, 2014 - 10:20am

It's usually story by story. Have you submitted any of the stories for critique on their own yet?

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 8, 2014 - 10:29am

I haven't at the moment. I'll need to pick the best of 32 of them.

I might do oldest to newest. Not sure yet. Just about said olderest. That's a good introduction. Now to continue plotting from "we came all this way, just to buy an apple?" I need a nap.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break September 8, 2014 - 10:39am

Do it story by story. Collections are much easier to workshop than novels.

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 8, 2014 - 6:08pm

It seems like my wordier stories would need the most editing. Some of the least wordy ones are pretty much going to be one shot comics anyway.:P (Jonah NumeroHex comes to mind specifically.)

Over the last several years my word count shrank from 4,000 words to just under 1,300 words.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated September 9, 2014 - 1:48pm

Wait, isn't that just math?  Wouldn't 4,000 words need 4 times as much editing (if all else was equal) than 1000 words?

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 9, 2014 - 2:37pm

Yep four times as much editing.

I do a lot of flash fiction. Which kind of makes me wonder what sort of a story I did when I was doing something like 5,000 words. (I no longer have Vigini Unc in it's complete form.)

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Jake Leroy from Kansas City is reading Jesus' Son, by Denis Johnson, and Hot Water Music, by Charles Bukowski September 9, 2014 - 11:01pm

Have you ever been in a critique group before? I wouldn't describe it as anything like editing, especially line editing. Sure, some things will be caught, but typically critique groups pay attention to structure, pacing, POV, tense, characterization, story arc, subtext, things like that. They discuss and debate those things in front of you while you listen. A good critique group will give you plenty of things to chew on, not just to fix like a leaky pipe, but as a springboard to consider revisions that will make the story more powerful. Not all crtique groups are of equal ability, either. Some groups simply have more seasoned writers.

Regarding editing, in my experience there are two kinds of editors, and I've never met an editor who is equally proficient at both. There are story editors (qualitatitive) and line editors (nuts and bolts of language construction). My stories went through extensive critique and I still had a story editor that was enormously helpful when I put my collection together.

I hope this is helpful.

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 10, 2014 - 9:47am

I'm in one at the moment, though that's for picture books. (My actual writing passion is chapter books and light novels like Boogieboop Phantom.)

I'll be on the look out. (I'm the last sure about Victoria The Sleeper At The Moment.)

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Aud Fontaine from the mountains is reading Catch-22. Since like, always. September 10, 2014 - 11:00am

I loved Boogiepop in middle school. I have absolutely nothing else to contribute to this thread, but those books were sweet.

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami September 10, 2014 - 12:07pm

Yea I really wish there were more novels with Manga illistrations. I feel like I write more naturally in the 5,000 to 20,000 word range telling tales of multiple narratives.