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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 20, 2011 - 5:25pm

Psychosis anthology
Here is the master list so far:
The people with question marks after their name have expressed interest but I can’t remember if they chose one in particular.
Enough--self-mutliation
aliensoul77--OCD
Ryan--necrophilia
R.Moon--Cotard's syndrome.
wickedvoodoo--panic attacks
Limbless K9--Stockholm Syndrome
flamenia--Dissociative/Schizotypal.
Steve:  Fregoli Delusion
Bryan--drug induced psychosis
Josef:  Apotemnophilia
Raelyn:  Muchausen by proxy
Nighty Nite:  Folie a deux
Laurence Kitts:  nymphomania
Typewriter Demigod:  pedophilia
JaySJ:  ???
Writingasgjensen:  ???
Charles:  ????
Nkwilczy:  ????
Jacks_username:  ????
Waterhouse:  ????
Aaron:  pica??

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin November 20, 2011 - 5:38pm

I'm going to be redoing my scizophrenia story, the reviews gave me some really good ideas for how to develop it.

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. November 20, 2011 - 9:48pm

Made a start on my story this evening - got a thousand words down. I'm thinking this draft will end up around three thousand. Coming on okay so far, here's hoping I can keep it up.

I'm a bugger for losing my mojo and no end of my stories get canned halfway through but I've got a good feeling about this one. There's an exercise I can tag on here - empathy. Exercises help me focus and actually finish stories.

Got a personal agenda you see, a good friend of mine suffers from chronic anxiety and I have seen the damage it can cause. It's scary stuff. My goal is to capture that. I want to write something that I could proudly and honestly show to her, seeing as she is the inspiration. She'll know it's a abstract of herself, so if I can pull of enough empathy to convince her (and to not offend, heh) then I'll count it as a win.  -edit-  It will, of course, be a work of fiction. I simply mean to capture some of the processes she seems to go through and impress them on my character. Not trying to claim it's a true story or any of that jazz.

Oh - kind of overdue but if you are still planning on running with one of those pictures for the cover then my vote is for number 1

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. November 20, 2011 - 9:54pm

I call multiple personality disorder

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 4:45am

I have to warn you, Jack's Username: Multiple Personality Disorder is same as Dissociative P. D.

You will be challenging MOI. Com'on, go ahead muhuhuahahahahahhahahahah!!!

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 4:46am

Don't freak out, you can have schizotypal :)

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 21, 2011 - 5:07am

@Flaminia & Jack: check out United States of Tara on Showtime. Its all about DID. Funny as hell, too.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 5:18am

Nice, I'll do. I've been watching a lot of tube videos on DID. Controversial stuff.

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Limbless K9 from Oregon is reading Wraeththu November 21, 2011 - 5:21am

@R.Moon - You have the coolest avatar picture ever. 

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. November 21, 2011 - 7:28am

I thought so I didn't want to google it though. I'm not going to participate. Drug psychosis is already taken so...

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Sarah Metts from Rock Hill, SC is reading A Game of Thrones November 21, 2011 - 8:39am

1st- if the picture is still being decided, I like the second one but a mashup seems like it could lead to something interesting

2nd- Can I jump in on this project? If so, I would like to call Hybristophilia

3rd- is there a deadline on this?

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin November 21, 2011 - 8:49am

January 15th is the deadline still I think. (I'm pretty sure we're still recruiting, the more the merrier, the more stories competing the better the final ones will be)

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 8:58am

Hey Jack's please, participate! I was kidding, I don't care if you do the same as I do. And also, I'm not really so competitive, I just like to play :)))

Please Jack's participate :)

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. November 21, 2011 - 9:04am

Anybody thinking about writing a Schizophrenia story should check out And I Don't Want To Live This Life by Deborah Spungen (Nancy Spungen's mother). It's a little dated and it's damn depressing, but it's a fantastic account of how mental illness can impact on the families of the afflicted person. A different point of view is always interesting - most literature (in my experience) tends to focus on the point of view of the person with the illness.

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. November 21, 2011 - 10:23am

Drug psychosis is fun for everybody.  Join in, Jack.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin November 21, 2011 - 10:28am

Are we talking short term style amphetamine psychosis? Or Detox from heroin style madness? Angel Dust wakiness?

There are so many ways to go with drug psychosis. And people with mental illness do have a higher proportion of druge (ab)use than other populations, so you wouldn't even have to feel limited within drug psychoses to doing strictly chemical based craziness.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 10:43am

Now now, drug abuse.. Big words! It's called self-medication.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin November 21, 2011 - 11:58am

Sure, but I quite liked the parenthesis allowing a person to chose either use or abuse depending on their perspective, you get the same moral grayness as you get from self medication, the dichotomy of thought is just better illustrated. I thought it was quite clever (ab)use.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 1:01pm

It is.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 21, 2011 - 3:25pm

Hey Rian, that United States of Tara is prima stuff. I've watched the first four episodes and loved it when alter Alice was drinking a Martini in the cafetaria. Great tip, and very funny indeed.

Now I see how DID is already stereotyped in mass (or less mass) communication. It will be difficult to create something original out of the material I'm sifting. But ideas are taking shape. I've also read a pop semi-essay about the disorder, a couple of years ago, that made the splitting and protective dinamics quite easy to understand.

How's your research going, guys?

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 21, 2011 - 3:37pm

@Flaminia: You're welcome. Althought the show may be a bit over the top, I think there may be some good information in there for you. I'm a personal fan of Buck. The thing I'd watch for is the reaction of her family, especially her sister. The daughter is cool, too. Very quirky.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 21, 2011 - 7:41pm

@Sarah.    1.  Most people seem to like picture one.  I'm still deciding.

2.  Hybristophilia is not taken.  Go for it.

3.  It is Jan. 15th so take your time and if you want to post a rough draft and get feedback, feel free to post it in the writer's workshop.  I've gotten back some great input on my OCD story.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 21, 2011 - 7:43pm

I liked seasons one and two of United State of Tara, the third season was a  little iffy though.  I hated the Bryce persona where she became her own abuser.  He was such an asshole. 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 21, 2011 - 8:23pm

I submitted a question to the Lit Coach the other week and she answered back in this week's magazine.  Here is the following article:

 

Question from Daniel G. from Port Orchard, WA

    I am putting together an anthology of mental illnesses with a reality based edge.  I'm not sure if I should market it as horror or just fiction.  The genre route seems so limiting, plus people keep telling me it is really hard to get an anthology published.  How should I market it so that it will be more palatable to a publisher?  This has been a dream of mine for awhile, and if worse comes to worse I will self publish, but what are your tips for a strong query letter or approach?

If the bulk of the stories contributed have truly gruesome elements connecting them together, I feel 99% confident suggesting your anthology would find a home in the horror genre. If there’s nothing horrifically twisted going on between the pages, the collection can’t be marketed as horror.

Unless you’re a well-respected and notable editor or author, your chances of publishing an anthology with even a mid-sized publisher are very slim. Agents and publishers are open to considering anthologies, but your platform as an expert within the genre your anthology fits must be very strong and you’ve got to have some major literary talent attached as contributors. For example, the critically acclaimed and award-winning anthology, My Mother She Killed Me, My Father He Ate Me: Forty New Fairy Tales (Penguin, 2010) edited by Kate Bernheimer (the well-known and respected founder and editor of Fairy Tale Review and author of several adult and children’s books) did not sell for a large advance despite the big names attached (she had to pay all those contributors, too): Joyce Carol Oates, Neil Gaiman, Michael Cunningham, and my pal from Omaha, Timothy Schaffert (The Coffins of Little Hope, Unbridled Books, 2011). This is a pretty good indicator that publishers aren't going to invest in anthologies unless you can deliver what Ms. Bernheimer can deliver - star quality.
Getting an entire publishing team to champion your anthology (or short story collection) is very difficult. Who do you have attached to contribute? Who is writing the forward? Do we know their work? How will they promote it? How will you? How quickly do you think you can sell through a conservative first print run of 5,000 copies? You’re going to have to be prepared to WOW an agent who will then have to WOW an entire publishing team with the answers to these questions.   
Here’s what you can do

If you’re not getting a good response from agents, you could attempt to query independent publishing houses yourself. If they don’t bite, you could consider self-publishing, sure. You may want to consider self-publishing via Amazon and Barnes and Noble’s eBook platforms before you invest in publishing a printed book. I think given the nature of your genre, you could experience considerable success via e-publishing – an avenue more and more very talented writers are exploring. But just because that path is “easier” doesn’t mean the sales will accumulate just as easily – that’s all up to the energy you put toward the marketing and promotion of the work, and of course the quality of the entire anthology.

Good luck, Daniel!

 

There is a lot of good information in there.  So I will pose the questions to you guys since you are a part of the project.

1.  Do you think we should market this as horror or something else?

2.  Do you think I should hire an agent to see if they can find us a publisher or seek out publishers myself?

3.  Since we don't have any star power, the anthology soly relies on the quality of our work.  Should I fish for a name author to review or contribute something?  (I already asked Clevenger, he's busy with his novel)

4.  Do you think we have more of a chance of getting the book noticed if I put all my time and effort into an e-book and spend my time and money on advertising rather than an agent?

 

Let me know what you guys think!

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. November 21, 2011 - 8:29pm

Fine, fine I'll participate. I was eventually going to anyway. The more writing projects I take on, the more stressed I get. Okay I got it, it will be drug psychosis but a non-narcotic, non-chemical psychosis. I'll elaborate in the future. Right now, I'll get to work writing it.

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Raelyn from California is reading The Liars' Club November 21, 2011 - 8:37pm

@AlienSoul - For your first question, I think you'd need to read everyone's stories before deciding to label it as horror or not. As for everything else, don't feel the need to take on this project by yourself. I'm sure there are people (myself included) who would be more than willing to put together a team in order for reach out to publishers. An agent would be nice but perhaps unnecessary. As for having a well known author...it definitely couldn't hurt to ask around. 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 21, 2011 - 8:41pm

Thank you, I would appreciate as much help with this as I can.  I am willing to create a website when it's finished for the book as well and maybe a book trailer, buy ad space in a magazine or something. 

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Limbless K9 from Oregon is reading Wraeththu November 21, 2011 - 8:57pm

I agree with Raelyn. You don't have to do it all yourself. However, I don't know how to be of much help. I have no knowledge of publishing whatsoever. 

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin November 21, 2011 - 8:58pm

I can help if you need me to do anything.

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. November 21, 2011 - 9:00pm

I will try to contribute as much as I can. I will start sending letters to publishers when I have the time.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff November 22, 2011 - 5:13am

Dakota, stress is good just until you snow flakes of skin from your face. Glad you're back.

Now Daniel's questions.

1. Agreed with Raelyn, let's see what we've got first.

2. Let's just start from the top and work our way to the bottom. We can first try contacting agents, just like Erin suggests. If we get but No's, then we go for independent publishers. If they also turn us away we stop writing and we open a taco hut. NO, of course not. We write even better and become rich with e-publishing.

3. Yes, the anthology solely relies on the quality of our work. That's why we have to focus on writing excellent stories now, so that a known writer will be more than happy to put his name close to ours.

4. As for time, I can also give a little of my time. We could divide the project into tasks and see who does what. As for money, I'm broke but I can afford to buy 5 or 6 future copies and give them around, I can advertise ad nauseam on facebook, twitter, what you want. I'm building up a modest clout. Then there would be the dirty crowdfunding card too.. it's just pretty hard for written stuff.

Let's write our ass off.

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Jay.SJ from London is reading Warmed and Bound November 22, 2011 - 5:21am

1.  Do you think we should market this as horror or something else?

Something else. Everyone has their own voice, and you don't know how the anthology will turn out.

2.  Do you think I should hire an agent to see if they can find us a publisher or seek out publishers myself?

Couldn't hurt to query an agent but realistically I think they won't bite. Anthologies are hard to sell, you should consider approaching small presses or self publishing through your own created press.

3.  Since we don't have any star power, the anthology soly relies on the quality of our work.  Should I fish for a name author to review or contribute something?  (I already asked Clevenger, he's busy with his novel)

I think you should look around for one. Shame Clevenger can't do it but he's as busy as he is talented. I'd consider looking for a name even to just write the forward or something. Perhaps even a good name in the psychiatry field?

4.  Do you think we have more of a chance of getting the book noticed if I put all my time and effort into an e-book and spend my time and money on advertising rather than an agent?

An agent shouldn't cost you money. Not to query or anything, and they usually take a percentile cut. I'd put all the focus into the cover art and building the book. That's what you can do now, make it look professional so even if you do have to self publish you will wash away the negative stigma.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break November 22, 2011 - 7:42am

Jay's got the right idea about the agent.  You'd be hard pressed to find one to represent this because anthologies and collections "don't sell," especially if you don't have any starpower behind it.

I would definitely shop around for "name authors" to contribute.  I shudder to think how badly Warmed and Bound would have sold if we didn't have Clevenger or SGJ, so I'd look into that.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 9:11am

Maybe someone can change their pen name to Stephen King or Joyce Carol Oates and we will wait until its publiished and say, "I never said it was that Stephen King!" Just kidding. Ill look around, maybe sleep with some publishers but I'm not giving up. When someone tells me something is impossible and will never happen, it makes me want to do it even more. If Tucker Max can get books published, we can! Maybe I could get Dean Koontz to write the foreword or give a cover blurb. Say what you want about his writing, he was one of the only authors to answer my letter back in his own handwriting before which is rare. Maybe we could pay money to reprint a story by a famous author. I could stalk Clive Barker, hit up Joyce Carol Oates. Actually I really like Joyce Carol, a lot of what she writes is psychology based.

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Jay.SJ from London is reading Warmed and Bound November 22, 2011 - 9:23am

Yeah, nothing can hurt from writing some emails to people and sucking up hard. How I get the interviews for my website!

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 9:36am

I would love for will christopher baer to write something for it. Maybe I should stalk him via publisher?

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break November 22, 2011 - 9:42am

I'd pass on Baer.  They couldn't even get him to contribute to The Velvet anthology.  That's like Tom Brady not wanting to endorse a Patriots product.

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Jay.SJ from London is reading Warmed and Bound November 22, 2011 - 10:11am

If you could even get WCB to say no that would be impressive. No one hears from him. I'd be interested to know what extremes The Velvet press did.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 10:12am

What happened to Baer? His career was going good and then he fell off the face of the earth.

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Jay.SJ from London is reading Warmed and Bound November 22, 2011 - 10:19am

Who knows? godspeed was meant to come out in 07 I believe? And then he's dissapeared, he's still writing apparently but I guess he will appear when it's his time to again.

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch November 22, 2011 - 10:35am

I know I'm late to this but please don't use 3!! Yes it is cliche. Very. I personally like 2 the most, but maybe a doll is cliche too so since I like 1 as well, I vote 1.

Now can I still participate in the story writing thingie too?

Lima syndrome is the opposite of Stockholm, so can I do that pleeze? (the kidnapper becomes attached to victim).

 

OR: I Capgras delusion is the disorder by which the person is convinced a family member has been replaced by a look-alike. (it's a variation of Schizophrenia).

Which one sounds better?

You do seem to have quite a bunch of people already though, so it's ok if it's too much to add me too.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce November 22, 2011 - 2:49pm

@Aliensoul, I watched burning palms. I get the idea that you were trying to make, but the film sucked ass.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 5:40pm

I talked to Baers publisher, he is still in limbo.

@liana---icapgras delusion sounds cool or as I call it, invasion of the body snatchers syndrome. Right now we are welcome to all subs then we vote on them. Its a communal project. Then we sacrifice a goat to your god of choice and pray to the dark lord for a publisher.

@typewriter---well like any anthology movie, it had some duds. Have you seen the movie May?

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. November 22, 2011 - 5:43pm

Okay, I have hypochondria... 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 5:43pm

So have we decided we want this anthology to remain in house as a litreactor writers only or should it be open to outside sources?

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 5:48pm

@jack, there are so many places you can go with that. People can manifest symptoms physically if they believe it enough or hurt themselves so a doctor will see them.

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enough from Indiana is reading Warmed and Bound November 22, 2011 - 6:07pm

I vote we stay in house with it, but if we can get a big name to contribute we should allow that.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest November 22, 2011 - 6:14pm

@Alien: I think in house. If we can secure a big name to submit to this, it could be a huge ad for lit reactor. I've gleaned so much from here, so any way I can pay back would be great.

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. November 22, 2011 - 6:16pm

Yes, in house, it can be Litreactor's first, unofficial anthology.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. November 22, 2011 - 6:17pm

Well when the time comes, I might need help submitting query letters or mailing out manuscript copies and advertising.