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Richard from St. Louis is reading various anthologies April 7, 2014 - 2:59pm

last time i had a story at Black Clock (who I LOVE, and consider a white whale) i got past the first level, and the second level, and then withdrew it at about the nine month mark because it got accepted elsewhere. kind of ridiculous, but i've waited longer. i think it took me 242 days for Cemetery Dance. my longest acceptance was for Cherry Bleeds (now defunct) at 287 days.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like April 8, 2014 - 8:38am

It's sort of a conundrum, the "go big or get published" thing. I'm more inclined to want to get published in "reputable" journals, but then I often feel like they're not as open to "new" writing as they might claim. They might publish non-famous writers, but not those who are writing in styles the magazine doesn't already deal with. I like some mainstream magazines, but they really don't publish unconventional stuff, even though their writers may regularly reference previously-unconventional authors. And with those magazines who take "risks" and publish weird stuff, though I appreaciate their "daring," I often dislike what they publish; even if I thought I might get in, I don't want to. This might be judgmental of me, but I don't feel like getting a few shorts or poems published online really makes so great a difference that it's worth circumventing my perspective on the matter.

End result is I just don't submit much, which also doesn't seem to further my career in any verifiable way.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions July 18, 2014 - 1:03am

In the last 48 hours: A Public Space, Redivider, and Shock Totem--on three different stories submitted months apart. Feels like the first day of story hunting season out there.

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Jack Campbell Jr. from Lawrence, KS is reading American Rust by Phillipp Meyer July 18, 2014 - 7:54am

Yeah, I had a streak last week of a response every day. Five rejections, one acceptance, and a short-list. I haven't had a single thing since. They seem to return in spurts.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day January 30, 2015 - 10:37pm

Just got the ol' RJ from AGNI... but this one was personalized, encouraging, etc. I feel validated.

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L.W. Flouisa from Tennessee is reading More Murakami February 3, 2015 - 7:48pm

First rejection in a long time, it feels great: I was rejected from Cricket magazine.

Yep, I'm officially a middle grade writer now. Completely dumped adult fiction like a sack of hot potatoes.

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Dino Parenti from Los Angeles is reading Everything He Gets His Hands On February 3, 2015 - 9:16pm

I've sent five stories to almost 60 journals on the 1st of January. So far I've been rejected by PANK, Word Riot (my third rejection from there), Slice, Subtropics, APEX (the same day!), Not One of Us, Granta, and The Paris Review (for such a prestige, mail-only journal, they sent the shittiest little crooked print out form-rejection on faded ink!).

Got homes for two of them though--one at Pithead Chapel, and one at Menacing Hedge. 

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voodoo_em from England is reading All the books by Tana French! February 4, 2015 - 12:36am

Congrats on your acceptances, Dino :)

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SConley from Texas is reading Coin Locker Babies February 4, 2015 - 8:52am

I seem to be receiving more personal rejections lately.

Popshot - Form
Boston Review - Form
Out of the Gutter - Personal
Shotgun Honey - Personal
Masters Review - Personal
AGNI - Personal


 

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Richard from St. Louis is reading various anthologies February 6, 2015 - 8:21pm

2014:

Four Corners F I am the Abyss CLOSED  E  12 Feb 2014   05 Mar 2014 Rejection, Personal 21   90  
Four Corners F Civil Coping Mechanisms  E   18 Feb 2014   26 Feb 2014 Rejection 8 76    
Moving Heavy Objects F Jelly Bucket  E  28 Feb 2014   02 Apr 2014 Rejection 33 47 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F New Madrid  E  28 Feb 2014   22 May 2014 Rejection 83 109 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F CCLap Journal ON HIATUS  E   01 Mar 2014   05 Mar 2014 Rejection4      
Moving Heavy Objects F West Branch  E  17 Mar 2014   02 Apr 2014 Rejection 16 10 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F Black Warrior Review  E  17 Mar 2014   08 Apr 2014 Rejection 22 85 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F PANK Magazine  E  17 Mar 2014   11 Apr 2014 Rejection, Form 25 30 30  
Moving Heavy Objects F Passages North  E  17 Mar 2014   18 Apr 2014 Rejection, Form 32 24    
Moving Heavy Objects F Birkensnake  E  17 Mar 2014   11 May 2014 Rejection, Form 55 52 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F Parcel  E  17 Mar 2014   27 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 102 92 90  
Moving Heavy Objects F mojo E  17 Mar 2014   19 Aug 2014 Rejection, Form 155 56 90  
Moving Heavy Objects F Blackbird  E  17 Mar 2014   01 Jan 2015 Rejection, Personal 290 247 180  
Open Waters F Ruthless Peoples Magazine  E   20 Mar 2014   22 Mar 2014 Rejection, Personal 2 21 7  
Moving Heavy Objects F Recommended Reading E  15 May 2014   23 Oct 2014 Rejection, Form 161 116 180  
Homecoming F Microfiction Monday Magazine  E  17 May 2014   23 May 2014 Rejection, Personal 6 6    
Moving Heavy Objects F Fireside TEMP CLOSED  E  01 Jun 2014   30 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 29 30 30  
Open Waters F Popshot TEMP CLOSED  E   04 Jun 2014   01 Aug 2014 Rejection, Personal 58 36    
Little Red Wagon F Clarkesworld Magazine  E  10 Jun 2014   12 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 2 2 14  
Little Red Wagon F Fantasy & Science Fiction P  10 Jun 2014   18 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 8 20 60  
Little Red Wagon F Strange Little Girls CLOSED  E  10 Jun 2014   27 Aug 2014 Rejection, Form 78 71    
Open Waters F Grievous Angel  E  21 Jun 2014   04 Nov 2014 Rejection, Personal 136 12 14  
Little Red Wagon F Dark Magazine, The  E  09 Sep 2014   09 Sep 2014 Rejection, Form 0 1 30  
Moving Heavy Objects F Granta  E  23 Oct 2014   04 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 12 231 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F upstreet TEMP CLOSED  E  23 Oct 2014   06 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 14 33    
Moving Heavy Objects F Fiction Desk, The  E  23 Oct 2014   11 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 19 45 90  
Moving Heavy Objects F Southern Indiana Review  E  23 Oct 2014   01 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 39 139    
Moving Heavy Objects F Stoneslide Corrective, The  E  23 Oct 2014   27 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 65 76    
Moving Heavy Objects F Whiskey Island Magazine  E  04 Nov 2014   22 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 18 19 90  
Moving Heavy Objects F Pleiades E  04 Nov 2014   29 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 55 39 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F Georgia Review  P  04 Nov 2014   22 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 79 92 150  
Moving Heavy Objects F Colorado Review  P  05 Nov 2014   15 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 40 48 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F Sou'wester TEMP CLOSED  E  05 Nov 2014   06 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 62 80    
Moving Heavy Objects F Psychopomp Magazine  E  11 Nov 2014   18 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 7 13    
Moving Heavy Objects F Atlas Review, The E  11 Nov 2014   14 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 33 44    
Moving Heavy Objects F Bayou Magazine  E  11 Nov 2014   25 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 75 100 120  

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like February 8, 2015 - 12:02pm

If it were me, and none of the other stories had so much trouble, I'd maybe change the title of 'Moving Heavy Objects'? Or has it been placed since then? ( Not that RT needs my advice. ;~) )

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cjhlambert February 11, 2015 - 7:33pm

@Mel, Rob, Angel

Hey, I know it's almost been a year since your posts on Red Fez, so I'm pretty late to this thread.  I'm the current head fiction editor for Red Fez.

I took over in July of 2013.  So Mel, Rob, if it's any consolation, things have changed.  Though, I was the one who rejected Angel.  I can explain that.

So I went back and looked at the reviews for your story, Mel (Rob, I didn't have enough information to go on).  The previous head fiction editor should not have sent what he sent to you.  The headitor (as we call them) took the comments from the other editors, verbatim, and just pasted them in to the feedback section.  That's not fair for the editors, who think they're speaking candidly and tend to overdramatize their thoughts to amuse one another (under the pretense that the headitor is drawing from each dramatic criticism a more polite, and helpful criticism to send to the author), and it's especially not fair for the authors.  There could have been constructive feedback you gained from Red Fez.  Instead, you just had a bad experience.  

The good news is what you experienced doesn't happen anymore.  I have editors explain what they didn't like and why.  The purpose being three-fold.  One, identifying what you don't like and being able to explain why you don't like it is educational and growth-inducing.  Two, if I disagree with them, I can explain why so they get why I make the editorial decisions that I do and hopefully can appreciate a story that I think they failed to appreciate (which sounds arrogant...).  Three, it allows me to provide stronger feedback to the authors than if the editor had just said, "I don't like it."   

So when providing feedback I will pull pieces of an author's story to use as example and then explain what we thought the problem was.  Why characters did not work for us.  Or why we thought sentence construction was problematic.  Or why we thougth narrative tension failed.  Or how the end of a story disappointed us.  I then usually try to give examples of what would have "worked" for us.  ("worked" in quotes since it's such a subjective thing).  

The bad news is Angel's experience, and that has to do with tone.  

Angel, I re-read what I sent you.  If we had been sitting down, face to face, I think we would have been fine, because you could have heard how I was saying what I was saying.  Analytical and, at times, critical, yes, but you would have heard the support in my voice and we would have been having a conversation, where I would have listened to you, answered any questions, gone back and forth with you, and that would have deluted some of the more critical comments.  If it's any consolation, I really was trying to be helpful rather than mean.  

But we weren't sitting down, face to face.  Instead, you got an analytical and, at times, critical 500 word critique of your story.  And it's from someone you don't know.  I could be a huge asshole, rather than someone who meant well but was trying to write something like 20 rejection e-mails while also having lots of other stuff to go and work on.  Sigh.  So I'm typing with all this intended good-will that isn't being conveyed, and you're reading with no idea what I intended.  Eek.        

I'm sorry that I hadn't taken that into consideration.  I do stand by the feedback I gave you.  But I should have delivered it in a better way.  I thought the analytical tone would come off as professional rather than as some editor who is being a jerk and has just rejected your story.  

We want to improve.  We want to help authors.  We want authors to enjoy the Red Fez experience.  I want authors who come to Red Fez to come away thinking, "This place supports me."  So I'm happy I found this thread because it will help me make adjustments to my actions.  

Mel, Rob, I'm sorry that you had negative experiences under the old leadership, but I hope you consider submitting in the future.  I can't promise publication (well, I guess I could), but I can promise that if you're rejected the feedback will be helpful and insightful, rather than careless and dismissive.  

Angel.  We had published one of your stories the month before, so we definitely like your writing.  I hope you do submit again.  And if you want to have more of a discussion with me about the feedback I sent, or anything else, let me know:  chrisATredfez.net

Other topics:

-The Red Fez site has been totally overhauled.  So no more ugly colors on top of ugly colors.  Well, at least not in the way they had previously been arranged.  The stories are also easier to read.

-Bios.  Mel, if it matters at all, I checked editors comments for both your submissions and no one said anything about the credentials of the bios.  Nothing like, "Oh, she has a novel optioned!"  On your second submission, they said things like "This is very good," and "Had me hooked beginning to end."  Though who knows.  Maybe reading your bio primed them to enjoy it more?  Or maybe it was, in their minds, a superior story?  

Actually.  Three editors read your first story, and the head editor recommended it for publication, but the other two voted no, so...  In your second submission, three editors read your story again.  Same headitor, but two new editors.  It might have just been a matter of taste?  Maybe the two new editors from the second story would have recommended your first story for publication?  

In the time I've been headitor, I've rejected a couple Pushcart winners, a Guggenheim fellow (that weirded me to finish reading someone's story and then see they were a Guggenheim fellow), countless MFAs, professors at MFA programs, and other various grant recipients and award winners.  So we definitely don't cater.  I'm publishing a high school student in our newest issue.  

Anyway.  I hope this helps clarify some things!

If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me or respond on here.  Good luck with all the publishing endeavors!

 

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Dino Parenti from Los Angeles is reading Everything He Gets His Hands On February 12, 2015 - 11:50am

Got a vaguely personalized rejection from Zoetrope yesterday. Someone carated an inked "terrific" before "story" in an otherwise form "Thank you for submitting your story." I'll take that, I suppose.

@ Voodoo-em: Many thanks!

@Richard: Same as jyh: have you placed any of them since?

 

 

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Jack Campbell Jr. from Lawrence, KS is reading American Rust by Phillipp Meyer February 13, 2015 - 7:19am

If you search Duotrope and see horror markets that pay anything, I've probably been rejected from it a couple of times.

I didn't submit as much this last year with school going on, and got rejected less, surprisingly.

In the Shadows beneath My Bed P Cast of Wonders   E   27 May 2014  13 Aug 2014 Rejection 78       Update
Stopped at the Crossing F DarkFuse Anthology Series TEMP CLOSED   E  04 Jun 2014  19 Sep 2014 Rejection 107 100 180   Update
Murph's Law F Buzzy Mag   E  08 Jun 2014  06 Jul 2014 Rejection 28 47 60   Update
Old Devil Moon F Liquid Imagination   E  08 Jun 2014  03 Sep 2014 Rejection 87 49 60   Update
My Brother's Keeper F Eric Hoffer Award for Short Prose   E  10 Jun 2014  11 Jul 2014 Rejection 31 53     Update
Polka Man F Niteblade   E  19 Jun 2014  07 Jul 2014 Rejection 18 33 45   Update
A Train Ride to an Unknown Stop N Serving House Journal   E  08 Jul 2014   25 Aug 2014 Rejection 48   180   Update
Polka Man F Beyond the Nightlight CLOSED   E  08 Jul 2014   24 Oct 2014 Rejection 108 22     Update
Take It Home F Stoneslide Corrective, The   E  08 Jul 2014   20 Nov 2014 Rejection 135 76     Update
Old Devil Moon F Stupefying Stories TEMP CLOSED   E  19 Sep 2014   09 Oct 2014 Rejection 20 34 60   Update
Stopped at the Crossing F Wicked Words Quarterly   E  19 Sep 2014   10 Nov 2014 Rejection 52 49     Update
Old Devil Moon F Betwixt   E  10 Oct 2014  19 Oct 2014 Rejection 9 12 14   Update
Old Devil Moon F Niteblade   E  20 Oct 2014  21 Nov 2014 Rejection 32 33 45   Update
Old Devil Moon F Literary Hatchet   E  22 Nov 2014  16 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 24 22 45   Update

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SConley from Texas is reading Coin Locker Babies February 13, 2015 - 9:24am

I think that was really cool of the Red Fez editor. Editors never do that kind of thing.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day February 18, 2015 - 6:29pm

I got a personal rejection from AGNI as well. Was a bit of a confidence boost.

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Max from Texas is reading goosebumps February 19, 2015 - 1:46am

Nightmare Magazine has become my best friend/worst enemy. One day, goddammit.

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Angel Colón from The Bronx now living in New Jersey is reading A Big Ol' Pile of Books February 21, 2015 - 9:31pm

Funny, just jumped in here for the first time in a while.

Very cool to get the word from Red Fez, I appreciate that. Didn't really take it personal, though, I assure you! Still, thanks for the transparency.

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Angel Colón from The Bronx now living in New Jersey is reading A Big Ol' Pile of Books February 21, 2015 - 9:32pm

And Max, I feel you. Ellery Queen and I have that same relationship.

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Joshua Chaplinsky from New York is reading Stories of YOUR Life February 22, 2015 - 2:35pm

This year I finally resolved to buckle down and send out some submissions, so I don't have any exciting rejections as of yet. That being said, this thread has been a great resource for me of places I could be rejected from soon. So, thanks, everyone. 

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Joshua Chaplinsky from New York is reading Stories of YOUR Life February 26, 2015 - 3:59pm

...that being said, I got my first acceptance, from L'Allure des Mots, which I discovered in this thread. (Thanks, Bekanator!) I'm a little suspicious at how quickly they responded, but whatever.

I also got this nice little note from McSweeney's:

This doesn’t fail for lack of inventiveness, but I’m afraid we aren’t going to use it. Thanks for sharing it with us, nonetheless.

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SConley from Texas is reading Coin Locker Babies March 2, 2015 - 1:19pm

I sent a story to them years ago, not knowing much of what they were about and I never heard back. I didn't realize they leaned more towards satire and comedy.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 3, 2015 - 4:21am

Just got a personal rejection from Nightmare Magazine. This story's received encouraging personal rejections from Shimmer and Apex as well. Always the bridesmaid...

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day March 5, 2015 - 10:35pm

PANK has given me three "upper tier" rejections. I'll crack that market if it's the last thing I do.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 6, 2015 - 6:24am

Clarkesworld

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 6, 2015 - 4:56pm

Personal rejection from Asimov's.

This is my first time sending a story to Dark Fantasy/Horror/SF markets, and I have to say I love the quick 2-day turnarounds, as well as all the personalized responses (4 of 7 pro markets).

I'm used to the hell of literary markets where it's nearly impossible to find top magazines that don't charge a three dollar reading fee, hold onto your story for 4-6 months, and still only pay in contributor's copies. The genre markets never have a reading fee, pay pro rates and often respond within the week. The only down side is most genre mags ask for no ss, where most lit mags allow ss in their guidelines.

Why the crazy disparity? Definitely makes me want to experiment more with genre fiction. Y'all got it good.

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day March 10, 2015 - 7:19am

Personalized rejection from the Missouri Review.

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Tucson from Belgium is reading Late Essays - J.M. Coetzee March 16, 2015 - 6:22am

I've never been rejected, since I've never submitted. There's a huge feeling of shame holding me back. I couldn't probably take a rejection.

 

EDIT: I did submit once, and it didn't get rejected. Instead, it got published in a book called "talent under 30" or something like that, but I didn't like the story (especially since it was my first and only published one) so I stopped sending in. I had to edit, I'd repressed the memory..

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day March 17, 2015 - 10:27am

Slice Magazine and The Missouri Review were both impressed with my writing...

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big_old_dave from Watford, about 20 miles outside London, Uk March 18, 2015 - 2:35am

Need some advice, currently rewriting a story I did back in 2012, looking for fire it off. Which tactic would you recommend? Do you send a story off to one magazine at a time or fire it off to a couple at once?

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Gordon Highland from Kansas City is reading Secondhand Souls by Christopher Moore March 18, 2015 - 5:13am

I submit to about four at once, then wait for replies to start coming in before sending to any others, and I suspect that's a pretty conservative number compared to some writers. Maybe it's a confidence psyche-out, but I tell myself it's because I don't want to have to send mass withdrawals once someone accepts it.

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break March 18, 2015 - 6:13am

I have little to no respect for the simultaneous submissions rule. I'll usally fire off to six or seven venues at the same time.

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big_old_dave from Watford, about 20 miles outside London, Uk March 18, 2015 - 6:30am

Cheers people,

Only sent one story off so far at the start of last year that got rejected so I need to pick up the pace a bit me thinks.

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TheScrivener from Seattle is reading short stories March 19, 2015 - 10:19pm

I have zero confidence I will ever be published, so I just fire away. I have 70 submissions out (not all the same piece).  

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Richard from St. Louis is reading various anthologies March 25, 2015 - 12:39pm

Thought I'd share this with you. My literary story, "Moving Heavy Objects," was recently accepted by storySouth, a pretty good online publication with a 3% acceptance rate. But this story was rejected over ONE HUNDRED times before getting accepted there. Here's the list:

Moving Heavy Objects F AGNI  E  16 Nov 2011   13 Feb 2012 Rejection, Form 89 69 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Atlas Review, The E  11 Nov 2014   14 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 33 44     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Barrelhouse  E  06 Jan 2012   04 Feb 2012 Rejection, Form 29 172 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Bat City Review   E  06 Sep 2013   13 Nov 2013 Rejection, Form 68 78     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Bayou Magazine  E  11 Nov 2014   25 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 75 91 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Bear Deluxe  E   14 Aug 2012   18 Jun 2013 Rejection 308   180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Beloit Fiction Journal  P  08 Aug 2012   29 Sep 2012 Rejection, Form 52 49 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F Berkeley Fiction Review  E  10 Apr 2012   29 Apr 2012 Rejection, Form 19 154 365  
Moving Heavy Objects F Big Lucks  E  02 Sep 2012   20 Feb 2013 Rejection, Form 171 72     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Birkensnake E  17 Mar 2014   11 May 2014 Rejection, Form 55 51 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Black Warrior Review   E  17 Mar 2014   08 Apr 2014 Rejection 22 56 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Blackbird  E  17 Mar 2014   01 Jan 2015 Rejection, Personal 290 264 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Booth  E  18 Sep 2013   03 Nov 2013 Rejection, Personal 46 43     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Boston Review  E  30 Nov 2011   02 Feb 2012 Rejection, Form 64 133     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Boulevard  P  13 Apr 2012   25 Oct 2012 Rejection 195 139 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Caketrain   E  16 Nov 2011   26 Jan 2012 Rejection 71 88 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Camera Obscura  E  16 Nov 2011   10 Jan 2012 Rejection, Form 55 291     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F CCLap Journal   E   01 Mar 2014   05 Mar 2014 Rejection, Personal 4       Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Chattahoochee Review  E  30 Nov 2012   27 Mar 2013 Rejection 117   180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Chicago Review  E  03 Aug 2013   20 Aug 2013 Rejection 17 43 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Cimarron Review  E  18 Jul 2013   27 Aug 2013 Rejection, Form 40 79 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Cincinnati Review, The E  16 May 2012   17 Aug 2012 Rejection, Form 93 119 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F Collagist, The  E  19 Jan 2013   08 Apr 2013 Rejection 79 29     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Colorado Review  P  05 Nov 2014   15 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 40 50 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Copper Nickel  E  02 Mar 2012   06 May 2012 Rejection, Personal 65 51 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Crazyhorse  E  16 Nov 2011   30 Dec 2011 Rejection, Form 44 64 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F cream city review  E  16 Nov 2011   11 Dec 2011 Rejection, Form 25 106 240  
Moving Heavy Objects F CutBank   E  20 Nov 2012   16 Feb 2013 Rejection 88 54 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Electric Literature  E  04 Apr 2013   10 Jun 2013 Rejection, Form 67 141 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F Emerson Review, The   E  10 Aug 2012   10 Oct 2012 Rejection, Personal 61 50 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F EVENT  P  31 Dec 2013   02 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 153 215 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Fence  E  16 Nov 2011   10 May 2012 Rejection 176 194 270   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Fiction Desk, The  E  23 Oct 2014   11 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 19 45 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Fifth Wednesday Journal  E  17 Aug 2013   03 Nov 2013 Rejection, Form 78 91 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F Fireside  E  01 Jun 2014   30 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 29 28 30   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Fourteen Hills  E  04 Mar 2013   22 May 2013 Rejection 79 160 270   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Fugue  E  02 Sep 2012   23 Sep 2012 Rejection, Form 21 120 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Georgia Review  P  04 Nov 2014   22 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 79 79 150   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Glimmer Train E  15 Jul 2012   15 Sep 2012 Rejection, Form 62 65 115   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Granta  E  23 Oct 2014   04 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 12 130 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F E  15 Jun 2012   31 Jul 2012 Rejection, Form 46 15 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Guernica  E  11 Nov 2014   18 Feb 2015 Rejection, Form 99 116 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Gulf Coast  E  30 Jan 2013   16 Mar 2013 Rejection 45 129 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Harpur Palate  E  06 Sep 2013   16 Oct 2013 Rejection, Form 40 32 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Hayden's Ferry Review  E  13 Feb 2012   20 Mar 2012 Rejection, Form 36 138 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F Idaho Review, The E  06 Apr 2013   10 Sep 2013 Rejection, Form 157 36 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F Indiana Review E  16 Nov 2011   06 Feb 2012 Rejection, Form 82 136 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Jelly Bucket  E  28 Feb 2014   02 Apr 2014 Rejection 33 49 60   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Journal, The  E  13 Feb 2013   20 Apr 2013 Rejection, Form 66 97 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Juked (Print)  E  02 Mar 2013   27 May 2013 Rejection, Personal 86 95 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Kenyon Review, The  E  16 Sep 2013   02 Oct 2013 Rejection 16 49 150   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F LIT  E  24 Sep 2013   21 Nov 2013 Rejection, Form 58 104 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Michigan Quarterly Review  P  04 Mar 2013   10 Mar 2014 Rejection 371 67 45  
Moving Heavy Objects F Mid-American Review  E  02 Mar 2013   23 Sep 2013 Rejection, Form 205 101 150  
Moving Heavy Objects F Midwestern Gothic  E  12 Oct 2012   04 Jan 2013 Rejection, Personal 84 31    
Moving Heavy Objects F Missouri Review, The  P  09 Apr 2012   26 Apr 2012 Rejection 17 65 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F mojo E  17 Mar 2014   19 Aug 2014 Rejection, Form 155 63 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F New England Review  P  11 Apr 2012   13 Jul 2012 Rejection, Form 93 99 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F New Madrid   E  28 Feb 2014   22 May 2014 Rejection 83 106 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F New Ohio Review (NOR)  E  10 Apr 2012   15 Oct 2012 Rejection 188 136 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F New World Writing  E   04 Dec 2012   06 May 2013 Rejection 153 48     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Ninth Letter   E  23 Feb 2012   12 May 2012 Rejection 79 100 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Noon Annual  P  07 May 2012   31 May 2012 Rejection 24 18     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F One Story  E  08 Dec 2011   30 Dec 2011 Rejection, Form 22 60 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F PANK Magazine  E  17 Mar 2014   11 Apr 2014 Rejection, Form 25 31 30   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Parcel  E  17 Mar 2014   27 Jun 2014 Rejection, Form 102 93 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Passages North  E  12 Dec 2012   18 Feb 2013 Rejection 68 23     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Phoebe  E  27 Sep 2012   09 Nov 2012 Rejection, Form 43 63 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Pinch, The  P  20 Sep 2012   02 Nov 2012 Rejection, Form 43 65 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Pleiades   E  04 Nov 2014   29 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 55 47 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Ploughshares   E  20 Aug 2012   05 Oct 2012 Rejection, Form 46 64 150   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Prairie Fire  P  31 Dec 2013   31 Mar 2014 Rejection 90 81 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Prairie Schooner  E  04 Nov 2014   01 Feb 2015 Rejection, Form 89 70 120   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Psychopomp Magazine  E  11 Nov 2014   18 Nov 2014 Rejection, Form 7 12    
Moving Heavy Objects F Public Space, A  E  21 Feb 2013   01 Aug 2013 Rejection, Form 161 129 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F Puerto del Sol   E  25 Oct 2012   03 Jan 2013 Rejection, Form 70 111 150   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Read Short Fiction  E  23 Sep 2013   20 Dec 2013 Rejection, Personal 88 51 60  
Moving Heavy Objects F Redivider  E  08 Feb 2013   01 Aug 2013 Rejection, Form 174 101 180   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Salamander  E  18 Sep 2013   13 Dec 2013 Rejection, Form 86 106 90   Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Salt Hill  E  25 Jan 2013   10 Oct 2013 Rejection 258 257     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Shenandoah   E  20 Nov 2012   09 Dec 2012 Rejection 19 24 45  
Moving Heavy Objects F Slice Magazine   E  10 Aug 2012   26 Sep 2012 Rejection, Personal 47 39 90  
Moving Heavy Objects F Southeast Review, The  E  17 May 2012   02 Sep 2012 Rejection 108 254 180  
Moving Heavy Objects F Southern Indiana Review  E  23 Oct 2014   01 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 39 114    
Moving Heavy Objects F Sou'wester   E  05 Nov 2014   06 Jan 2015 Rejection, Form 62 76     Update
Moving Heavy Objects F Stoneslide Corrective, The  E  23 Oct 2014   27 Dec 2014 Rejection, Form 65 78    
Moving Heavy Objects F Subtropics   E  02 Sep 2013   09 Sep 2013 Rejection 7 7 60   Update
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Moving Heavy Objects F Yalobusha Review  E  27 Aug 2012   17 Oct 2012 Rejection, Personal 51 102 120  
Moving Heavy Objects F Zoetrope: All-Story  P  22 Feb 2013   16 Mar 2013 Rejection 22 47     Update
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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break March 25, 2015 - 1:17pm

I'm not counting TMR because they're running a submission's fee scam.

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TheScrivener from Seattle is reading short stories March 25, 2015 - 7:54pm

A lot of those places charge to submit.  What makes TMR more of a scam than the others? 

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day March 26, 2015 - 2:56pm

re: submission fee scams, who else does anyone think is running one?  Or perhaps that's a topic for its own thread...

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Brandon from KCMO is reading Made to Break March 26, 2015 - 2:59pm

"What makes TMR more of a scam than the others?"

A former TMR staffer told me. You can take it at face value. Or don't. I'll sure as shit never submit there again.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 26, 2015 - 4:24pm

What makes it a scam though? Are they collecting money and not reading stories? Probably about half the lit mags now charge $3 for electronic subs. What exactly makes TMR's charge fraudulent?

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Nick from Toronto is reading Adjustment Day March 27, 2015 - 4:00pm

I've often wondered about reading fees. It's been talked about in an article or two here. Makes me think those places might be making a couple G's a month for the same slushpile once-over deal that places have always done.

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TheScrivener from Seattle is reading short stories March 27, 2015 - 6:55pm

I'm sure they do. 

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 27, 2015 - 8:14pm

I believe they pay fees to submittable, etc, but I'm sure they do collect more than they spend.

I imagine submission fees work more as a submissions-limiter than profit source, however. Submitting by mail was an effort and took some level of commitment from a writer. Eliminate that barrier and your slushpile could quickly swell from 300 to 3,000 with a substantial drop in quality/preparedness/suitability. 

I generally avoid fees (I get rejected too much), but I can't really begrudge the magazines that charge them.

 

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like March 28, 2015 - 7:31am

@MattF --- Yes to paragraph 2. Though I do think a mag which charges fees should at least offer a token payment for accepted work. (Also, congrats on 'Gargoyle'.)

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like March 28, 2015 - 3:34pm

*Though academic / legitimately non-commercial journals could be a reasonable exception.

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MattF from Tokyo is reading Borges' Collected Fictions March 28, 2015 - 8:56pm

jyh, I agree if they're operating at a profit. Now I'm curious to know just what a lit mag's finances look like. (and thank you).

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Jake Leroy from Kansas City is reading Jesus' Son, by Denis Johnson, and Hot Water Music, by Charles Bukowski March 31, 2015 - 6:03am

I don't understand the "scam" comments regarding TMR. The Missouri Review is one of the most esteemed literary publications in the country, demonstrating consistent excellence. They are in the top 20 of most awarded Pushcart Prize winners over the last decade. Their writers have been consistently mentioned for other esteemed awards. They are by definition nonprofit, owned by the University of Missouri. 

The literary world has been hamstrung by the disappearance of arts funding sources. Many lit mags have folded. In addition, state budget cuts have further reduced available funding. Several years ago Missouri Press was forced to close because it was a money losing operation and funds were simply not available to sustain its survival. 

Nobody goes into publishing a lit mag to get wealthy. The money just isn't there. Submission fees are clearly a contentious issue in the industry. I'm newly affiliated with a lit mag. One of the first orders of discussion was whether we should begin charging a submission fee. Currently, the founder of the magazine has been subsidizing losses, which cannot go on. We ultimately decided not to charge for submissions, but we may hold contests which will help the publication survive. 

The bottom line is nobody is raking in massive amounts of dough personally by charging a $3 submission fee. To characterize that fee as a "scam" is unfair. It's more akin to a survival issue. Pay it or don't. As always, it's the writer's choice. 

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TheScrivener from Seattle is reading short stories March 31, 2015 - 2:12pm

I would submit to TMR again---I at least got some feedback from them which was better than the "dear writer" forms that I usually get. 

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Tucson from Belgium is reading Late Essays - J.M. Coetzee April 2, 2015 - 12:14am

I've submitted two short stories yesterday. They were written quite hastily and I regret having them sent. It's probably not a great idea to send stuff you're not that happy with. It clouds your name, or something. Or do readers forget your name easily?

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like April 2, 2015 - 8:01am

@Tuscon --- Can't you withdraw them if you think they're really that bad? And I don't expect slush readers to remember many people unless the stories are exceptionally good, exceptionally bad, or exceptionally strange / inappropriate; or maybe if the cover letter is somehow exceptional.