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Sound from Azusa, CA is reading Greener Pastures by Michael Wehunt October 11, 2012 - 9:33am

I've sent one particular story out into the world quite a few times to no avail, and was wondering how many times you guys try before sending to the story graveyard?

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wickedvoodoo from Mansfield, England is reading stuff. October 11, 2012 - 9:37am

Graveyard might be harsh.

Maybe sit on it a while, then send it out to a few fresh places down the line. Editors change, new sites pop up, opportunities present themselves.

Consider - are you sending it to the right places? Is it a genre story? Are you reseaching your markets well enough?

On the other hand, is the story truly ready? Has it been workshopped for feedback? Do you think the story is as good as it can be?

You have to try not to let these things get you. It can be a slow game.

 

 

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bryanhowie from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING. October 11, 2012 - 10:21am

A minimum of 10, then I rewrite it (well, I plan to, anyway).  If I don't want to work on it anymore, then I just keep sending it out until I die.

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Emma C from Los Angeles is reading The Warehouse by Rob Hart October 11, 2012 - 10:28am

What they said. Never let a story die; just give it a break. Come back to it later and try again. Good luck.

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Sound from Azusa, CA is reading Greener Pastures by Michael Wehunt October 11, 2012 - 10:43am

Yeah, the story I'm talkinb about has been workshopped, and I thought it was ready. I got one personal response, which was cool. It made me consider changing it substantially, but I'm still iffy about it. I'll send it a few more times and see how it goes, then consider rewriting.

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Bracchos from Albuquerque is reading Translated Woman October 11, 2012 - 12:49pm

after about 10: do a rewrite

after another 10: do a slight rewrite again

after 23,456,213: give up

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manda lynn from Ohio is reading Of Love and Other Demons (again) October 14, 2012 - 5:46pm

don't give up. there's actually a publication out there that only accepts submissions with proof of at least (i think) ten rejections. it's a good gimmick to find awesomeness AND be able to say they found gems that others missed. don't give up. if you get to ten and feel shitty about it, hand it over again to someone you trust (as a writer and reader)  to tell you it is good after all, just so the negative weight doesn't get to you, then get back at it. shit, ten doesn't even phase me at this point. i'm finally getting to the place where i really believe in the stuff i send out and make sure it's the best i can make it, so i just keep submitting it, fuck the Nos.

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Renfield from Hell is reading 20th Century Ghosts October 14, 2012 - 6:01pm

I just send flurries out, first places that pay and seem like a good fit/have people I like in there, then ones that pay that I've never sent to before, then ones that maybe don't pay but have a lot of people I like, then just whatever decent place. After the first or second wave I'll do a rewrite and try to be less cool in the prose and just have it be a good story. I do kill stories though, more than I like, when I stop believing in them. Not that they're bad stories, but when I have a lot better ones to send to the same places and the old stories just feel like someone else now. I wish I could not worry about it like that and just have a big cool and diverse list of pubs like Richard Thomas or the other heavy hitters around here, but I get moody, to be honest.

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Dino Parenti from Los Angeles is reading Everything He Gets His Hands On October 14, 2012 - 6:03pm

@Sound: Not to sound redundant, but what everyone else has said. I would ask though, are these for print publications or online? I find it that much harder to get the same material into print than online.

@Manda: What is that publication? I've got a few contenders:)

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manda lynn from Ohio is reading Of Love and Other Demons (again) October 14, 2012 - 6:08pm

damnit, now i don't remember. i did when i typed the other post... let me google and ask a couple people...

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manda lynn from Ohio is reading Of Love and Other Demons (again) October 14, 2012 - 6:15pm

i just messaged like 8 people. hopefully someone hits me back soon :)

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like October 14, 2012 - 6:55pm

This is encouraging. It actually is nice to hear that people will go up to 10 times before reevaluating.

But I'm a total slackass regarding submissions; I've never sent any one piece out more than two or three times.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated October 14, 2012 - 8:30pm

I'd say it depends on your out put, and how much repeated rejections bothers you. If you don't put out many stories and don't give a chainsaw who rejects you, can send it out to a bunch of places every month (that allow it to be sent to more then one place or whatever) and just revise it as you get advice that agrees with each other. If you put out a big honking pile of work each week and rejection gets you down then after a few just let is sit for a few years and send it back out. Most of us are some place in the middle, but follow your gut.

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Fritz October 15, 2012 - 9:46pm

I think Lester Del Ray said this, 'Writing for the trunk is masturbation.'

Revise, Re-envision, Rewrite, Repeat,

Submit, Submit, Submit

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Jack Campbell Jr. from Lawrence, KS is reading American Rust by Phillipp Meyer October 16, 2012 - 10:23am

I never stop sending it out. Getting rejected doesn't hurt anything but by ego. Having a story taking up hard drive space that is never going to be submitted again doesn't do anything to help my ego. It might as well be out there.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry October 16, 2012 - 11:19am

I think this dude says it best.

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading A truckload of books October 16, 2012 - 11:53am

I try to send it out to at least 10 places at a time on the first round, so with my new "plan" I guess it would go to between 10-12 paying markets first, 10-12 awesome but non paying markets and then 10-12 places I think I would fit, but aren't on my hot-list before I've even considered that a story isn't "wanted" out there in the world. 

I have one that's only gone to a few places because its length limits it...I'm thinking of just letting that one sit around.

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sean of the dead from Madisonville, KY is reading Peckerwood, by Jed Ayres October 16, 2012 - 6:53pm

@Utah...I LOVE Pantera!

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manda lynn from Ohio is reading Of Love and Other Demons (again) October 16, 2012 - 7:42pm

sparrow's got the right idea - if you make a tiered plan, it keeps that feeling of systematically keeping momentum with submissions...

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JEFFREY GRANT BARR from Central OR is reading Nothing but fucking Shakespeare, for the rest of my life October 17, 2012 - 12:08am

hatebreed whuuuuuutttttt

nice post utah!

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry October 17, 2012 - 5:42am

Any time I ever feel like changing course, this kind of shit always gives me the encouragement to regroup and press on.

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Richard from St. Louis is reading various anthologies November 7, 2012 - 3:15pm

depends on the story and the markets. if you send your work to 100 markets and they are all <1% acceptance rates, you should expect to get into one.

see my column on "Rudy Jenkins Buries His Fears" to see what I mean. keep at it until all of the markets are exhausted. unless you don't believe in it.

http://litreactor.com/columns/storyville-the-journey

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading A truckload of books November 7, 2012 - 7:01pm

I feel like I should mention that ^^Richard^^ was a big influence in my decision to have a tiered plan.

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Sound from Azusa, CA is reading Greener Pastures by Michael Wehunt November 8, 2012 - 10:48am

@Richard: I just read the article and it made me feel much better. Great article. I'll submit to more places. Post it here to get more feedback for revisions if it still doesn't get placed.

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Richard from St. Louis is reading various anthologies November 8, 2012 - 1:47pm

cool, glad it helped, guys. it's rough out there sometimes. i just got five rejections in ONE DAY. unlike my idol Stephen Graham Jones who got five stories ACCEPTED in one day. asshole. :-)