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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:12pm

How is there any justification in forgiving...

murderers

pedophiles

rapists

thieves

and

freudians

 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 14, 2012 - 5:14pm

Forgiveness is about allowing yourself to move on and let go of the damage others have caused you. 

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:15pm

@avery then how could you ever become a writer?

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 14, 2012 - 5:17pm

Well, I'm not saying I DO it.  I'm just saying it's what I believe it to be. 

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Fylh from from from is reading is from is reading is reading is reading reading is reading February 14, 2012 - 5:19pm

I'm glad to see Freudians on that list. They're the worst of all. They see the dick in all of us.

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:22pm

@avery  great movie italian spagetti western- god forgives, i don't

btw imho, forgiveness to those types of takers is the same as being victimized

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:24pm

@filth, oops i meant fight, oops i meant fire, oops i meant phive, oops i meant... who gives a fuck, i know, right:)

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Fylh from from from is reading is from is reading is reading is reading reading is reading February 14, 2012 - 5:24pm

Not to sound like a Freudian, Rachel, but I've noticed that you haven't made more than three posts so far that weren't full of bile, anger and vitriol. Isn't it time you got a cat?

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:25pm

@fylh: i'm a lacanian, we always overlook the first obvious choice

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 14, 2012 - 5:27pm

If murderers say they are really really really sorry a priest forgives them. Me? I'm ambiguous.

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:29pm

@alien: you are a sophist?

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 14, 2012 - 5:30pm

Well, if someone were to murder a member of my family or something...I guess I would have a couple options.  I could sit around and hate them forever, or I could let go of that hate and try to live my life.  I just think hate takes a lot of energy. 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 14, 2012 - 5:38pm

Well, I saw a documentary where this woman met with the guy who murdered her husband and she heard his life story and realized how fucked up he was and forgave him. She was finally able to let go after that so I suppose it works for some people if they can humanize their attacker. When it comes to terrorists or religious zealots though, its harder to forgive a psychotic philosophy, you can say they were born into it but everyone makes a choice to do the wrong thing at some point and should have to live with the consequences. I can maybe understand a drug addict who kills someone in a moment of insanity but those who kill blindly over and over again chose darkness and do not deserve our pity.

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:41pm

you say " kill blindly"

i could extrapolate that to mean that, in the case of pedophiles, you are talking about what they do to living souls i.e. children.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 14, 2012 - 5:41pm

I don't think you have to understand it.  Or why it happened.  You just...let it go.  If you keep on hating, then they have power over you.  If you forgive and let it go then they no longer have that control.  They don't own a place in your mind any more. 

I don't care about the murderer.  I don't have to.  I don't have to judge their soul or whatever.  I just have to worry about me.  And the thing that is going to help me is giving up the bad stuff and moving forward with life.

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:43pm

@avery.  jesus christ! what fucking bubble have, and are, you living in!

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 14, 2012 - 5:44pm

Wow.  Okay.  That's a solid argument you have there. 

It's okay.  I forgive you.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 14, 2012 - 5:46pm

Pedophiles are the worst because their damage to their victims is psychological and can last generations through continual abuse.

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Rachel Harris from Cumberland Basin is reading mindless fluff (god, its so hard to get through, ugh) February 14, 2012 - 5:52pm

@alien- yeah, there has never been a book like that before...from the generation that realized it. and tried to stop it. 

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch February 14, 2012 - 10:31pm

Take the weapon of choice away from sex criminals, then I'll forgive them.

HUGS TO THE LACANIAN!!!

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 15, 2012 - 5:39am

Put shortly there isn't any justification to forgiving. Forgiveness is about giving someone something they don't deserve out of kindness and love, instead of giving them what they deserve.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 15, 2012 - 8:08am

It took me a while, but I've figured it out, finally.  Rachel is another incarnation of Dr. Joseph Suglia!  Hello, Dr. Joseph!  Don't worry, I don't judge.  I'm also angry about random shit, and I also get even angrier when I tell someone how angry I am and they don't spontaneously get angry in the same way.

Let's hate together.  I hate midgets.  You?  (and you better say that yes, you hate midgets as well)

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Jose F. Diaz from Boston is reading Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel February 15, 2012 - 8:25am

Forgiveness is where you set yourself up for an even greater disappointment because you are too naive to come to grips with reality.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 15, 2012 - 10:10am

I think we shouldnt use litreactor as a replacement for therapy. If someone needs help, they should get it. Being serious.

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J.Dulouz from New England is reading The Sirens of Titan February 15, 2012 - 11:02am

nope. stickin with litreactor.

 

and I'm okay with forgiveness, but I'd rather see society work a bit harder on accountability. then there might be less to forgive.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 15, 2012 - 12:08pm

How dare you hold me accountable for  my actions?!  If I shoot you, it is clearly your fault for being so shootable.

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J.Dulouz from New England is reading The Sirens of Titan February 15, 2012 - 12:19pm

yes, we should all work on being less shootable. I wonder which city has the most shootable people.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 15, 2012 - 12:22pm

New Orleans.

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J.Dulouz from New England is reading The Sirens of Titan February 15, 2012 - 12:24pm

maybe they should learn to run faster

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry February 15, 2012 - 12:25pm

Wouldn't matter.  There's nowhere to go in that town.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 15, 2012 - 12:45pm

They're in an almost literal barrel.

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J.Dulouz from New England is reading The Sirens of Titan February 15, 2012 - 1:36pm

they'll find shelter in the arms of Emiril. he doesn't seem very shootable.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 15, 2012 - 1:37pm

I am deeply offended by that!  That is Anne Rice's former home!  Vampires live there!  George Bush does not care about vampires.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters February 15, 2012 - 1:44pm

WhenI went to New Orleans for my honeymoon (2004 - pre-Katrina) I made a point to go see Anne Rice's house.  The one that the Witching Hour is based on.  There was a John Kerry poster in the yard.  I took a picture.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 15, 2012 - 1:46pm

Annie is tackling werewolves this month!  I'm assuming gay werewolves???  She wants Matthew Bomer to be the lead werewolf in the movie. Matthew Bomer just came out as gay.  Coincidence?  I think not.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 15, 2012 - 4:23pm

I thought you promised that you'd stop Alien.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. February 15, 2012 - 10:01pm

I'm talking about Anne Rice and yes, Matt Bomer is gay.  I didn't promise I would stop saying the word gay.

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Boone Spaulding from Coldwater, Michigan, U.S.A. is reading Solarcide Presents: Nova Parade February 15, 2012 - 10:42pm

I find that forgiveness is highly individual and subjective. I found myself forgiving murderers and thieves on their individual circumstances and my sympathy and compassion. Not all murderers and thieves, not across-the-board. Freudians, I forgive because they were weak and suggestable.

But, I don't find myself forgiving rapists and child-molesters. Too much hurt and malice-aforethought is required to do these things, I guess, for me to really come close to forgiving them...

Strange, eh?

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 16, 2012 - 3:40am

"Gay werewolves"? 

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Boone Spaulding from Coldwater, Michigan, U.S.A. is reading Solarcide Presents: Nova Parade February 16, 2012 - 4:33am

Why not? We know there are gay dogs...

(think this might be one of Rice's "trunk novels" from the late 70s/early 80s, when she thought she'd continue riding the very profitable gay vampire gravy train?)

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated February 16, 2012 - 4:45am

It just read like it was going for shock value.

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff February 16, 2012 - 5:19am

My forgiveness depends on the time it takes to forget about the pain. Sometimes five minutes, other times I don't know you, other times you better catch fire. Most of the times it's me hurting myself, so I just pretend I don't know me for a while.

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Boone Spaulding from Coldwater, Michigan, U.S.A. is reading Solarcide Presents: Nova Parade February 16, 2012 - 6:06am

"Resentment is like taking poison and hoping the other person dies." - St. Augustine

 

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Flaminia Ferina from Umbria is reading stuff February 16, 2012 - 6:13am

I like that ^

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Boone Spaulding from Coldwater, Michigan, U.S.A. is reading Solarcide Presents: Nova Parade February 16, 2012 - 6:15am

Your post before it prompted me to remember it (like your post and St. Augie's quote, too)

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Tyler Kendall March 13, 2012 - 12:38pm

Forgiveness is such a difficult concept for so many people, especially when it comes to murderers and rapists. I just read a really powerful book about the process of forgiving the terrorists behind the 2008  attack in Mumbai. It's called "Forgiving the Unforgivable" by Master Charles Cannon (http://forgivingtheunforgivable.com/), and I think it raises a lot of interesting points about forgiveness and acceptance.

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Fylh from from from is reading is from is reading is reading is reading reading is reading March 13, 2012 - 1:32pm

Thanks, Spambot! I forgive you.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry March 13, 2012 - 1:41pm

Dude.  He represents a spiritual pioneer.  Master...somebody.  That guy wrote a book and he meditates.  A mere spambot could not properly represent something that cool.  Probably.  You might be standing in the way of your own transcendance.  I'm not saying it's true.  Might be true.

Then again, that could just be a spambot.

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ReneeAPickup from Southern California is reading A truckload of books March 13, 2012 - 1:44pm

Forgiveness is really less about the other person and more about you. You can't let grudges drive you. I let go. I've let go of a ration of shit from a lot of people--some are in my life and some are not, but I've let it go, i've forgiven, I've moved on.

As for people who have done terrible things that did not affect me? I have no responsibility to forgive them. That's between them and whatever they believe in, and the people they hurt.

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Profunda Saint-... from Calgary, AB is reading Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series March 13, 2012 - 1:51pm

Forgiveness is for Beast People.

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Nikki Guerlain from Portlandia is reading Necronomicon Book Three March 13, 2012 - 1:54pm

And sand worms.