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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 12:25pm

You want to hear a funny story about Chuck Berry? I never realized he was a black man until I saw Cadillac Records. I'd heard a lot of Chuck Berry songs, I loved them, but I'd never owned an album or heard them in a venue other than FM radio.

And so I was watching Cadillac records and all the sudden Mos Def shows up and says "I'll be playing the role of Chuck Berry" and I thought "Why? Chuck Berry was a white guy... wasn't he?"

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 12:25pm

Yes, Alien. I am caucasian and have Irish ancestry. Super white?

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PopeyeDoyle from Rio Grande Valley, TX is reading Chronology of Water January 30, 2012 - 12:26pm

Well, this thread just took a really random turn.....

@nkwilczy - The whole "Arabs invented Algebra and medicine" thing is a really annoying meme.  While it's true that the term "algebra" comes from Arabic, the concepts were derived from the earlier traditions of the Greeks.  Arabs refined Algebra; they didn't create it. 

Basically, all knowledge really is derivative.  So, it's silly to say that because one person took knowledge from another and refined it, that he deserves less credit than the first.  Virtually nothing we think or do exists in a vacuum.  It all comes from somewhere else first.  It's the same reason that the whole Elvis tangent is silly.  We can acknowledge both.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 12:28pm

@NK... That is funny. 

Really though, we could probably trace this back to Adam and Eve. I'm sure at one point or another, they may have harmonized. 

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 12:33pm

I'm still sticking by the Steinbeck statement, regardless of how white he was. 

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 30, 2012 - 12:34pm

Someone did mention Steinbeck. But you are right to mention him again...and again.

 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:40pm

@Mick--so when you call people Whitey are you being ironic?

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 12:42pm

It just made me laugh.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:42pm

So I hear Steinbeck invented the toaster. Oh and grapes of wrath.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 12:42pm

Goddamn Irish, a few centuries of repression and they think they know all about it.

They're almost as bad as the stupid italians.

Slavs are the only white people with the street cred to call out whitey on his BS.

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 12:43pm

That too made me laugh.

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words January 30, 2012 - 12:43pm

what's Steinbeck? Is that the brand of guitar Elvis played?

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words January 30, 2012 - 12:43pm

I should officially retitle this thread "canon fodder"

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:44pm

You can't trust the Russians, they are KGB.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 30, 2012 - 12:45pm

I really really didn't want this to happen, postpomo.  I'm sorry about that.  I'm hoping we can go back on topic. 

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PopeyeDoyle from Rio Grande Valley, TX is reading Chronology of Water January 30, 2012 - 12:46pm

I really really didn't want this to happen, postpomo.  I'm sorry about that.  I'm hoping we can go back on topic.

Well next time don't be so racist.

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words January 30, 2012 - 12:48pm

LOL - it wouldn't be the Internet if this didn't happen - it's the nature of conversations - no need for apologies - it's a good discussion. But in future, keep your KKK card under the table. >P See you at the Vanilla Ice reunion tour.

 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 12:48pm

Does any thread ever stay on topic, though?

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:50pm

Well, we all know white people are smarter than other races. Isn't that like in the bible?

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:51pm

Black people are great at sports tho.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:52pm

I heard Irish guys are alcoholics too. Maybe Mick is drunk.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:53pm

Is everyone properly offended now or should I go on?

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 12:56pm

I'm glad it made you laugh Corey. My best friend is Irish (well, he calls himself Irish, he has about 2 dozen T shirts with clovers on them and a clover belt buckle that he always wears, he calls himself Irish a lot (in his defense, he was born on St. Patty's), but the truth is that he's Scotch-Irish and his family has lived in the Appalachians since before the Revolutionary War) and so I'm always talking shit about the Irish.

Italians get lumped in there too because it never stops making me laugh that back in the days when ideas like "eugenics" were getting popular the Northern Europeans in America got racist about Italians. It's like Mexicans or other hispanics. I did not realize until I was up in the states for a few years that they weren't considered "white people." I still think they are, I mean, most of their ethnic heritage comes from Europe.

I mean, racism between white people is a little funny. I mean, when compared to the other forms that have more prominent differences to draw their lines and are more radical in their application.

But there is some heavy racism against the white people who populate Latin America, if you bring it all back to that all of the sudden it isn't so funny any more.

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 12:53pm

I do not imbibe.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:56pm

Well, I am half mexican and half white so I am half lazy and half productive.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 12:56pm

Since we're talking about racism and we'll never again talk about the canon in this thread (which was really all I was interested in until it came to pass that Avery is a terrible racist), you know who I hate?  The fuckin Welsh. 

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:56pm

I want to see your face, Mick, not your Adam's apple.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 12:57pm

Danny, we all know it's not his face you want to see.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 12:57pm

I'm not offended, but it is funny that all of that comes from the white guy reading Malcolm X... LOL! :)

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postpomo from Canada is reading words words words January 30, 2012 - 12:57pm

@nkwilczy - a Cuban man was telling me that the same strains of racism against people with more or less melanin goes on - although genetically, some lighter people have more African heritage and some darker people have much less - so, what the hell does race even mean?

other than running around.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:57pm

Fine, you guys can talk about canons, I like when they go boom!

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 30, 2012 - 12:58pm

"until it came to pass that Avery is a terrible racist"

Being called racist by your friends is really strange.  I feel like I'm being called blonde.  I'm not outraged exactly, just confused. 

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 12:59pm

The fuckin Welsh. 

- What'd they do?

I hate the Kardashians...

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 12:59pm

@utah--you caught me again. I have an Irish boy fantasy, it involves him singing O Danny boy and watching Angela's ashes naked.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 1:02pm

It's called cognitive dissonance.  A condition caused by acting in a way that, deep inside, you know is wrong.  Confusion, malaise, mild fugues.  The future is a fairly bleak one for you, Avery, until you get help for this hateful streak Mick McCory has finally helped us all see.  You're in our prayers.

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 1:04pm

I am seriously considering changing my name to Mick McCory.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 30, 2012 - 1:05pm

Wait a minute - is this an intervention?

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 1:05pm

@Rian:  They talk funny.  Sets you up for a fall.  The guy that brings our office supplies is Welsh and he sounds Australian.  So the first time I talk to him I'm like, "So, what's it like down unda?" or something and he goes, "I wouldn't know.  I'm from Wales.  Douchebag."  Such bullshit, just like this story.

@Danny:  The reality of that fantasy can be a tad overrated.

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Utah from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry January 30, 2012 - 1:06pm

@Mick:  I strive to adjust the good to achieve perfection.

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 1:06pm

Well done sir.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 1:09pm

Well, Race and Canon are pretty tightly related, a lot of the time we go off the deep end into unrelated topics but if you make a list of Canon you will soon find yourself worried that "wow, there's a lot of white men on that list."

I was writing a song called reading rainbow, which is essentially this list of books set to a beat, and when I was doing it I was mad intent on hitting all the continents and getting some sort of balance, but you know, it still came out with a  ton of white people. They dominate our society for some reason. And now you're in a conversation about race.

Like the Cardiac of Darkness (white guy) we can all tell that I'm sick
But you can Count of Monte Cristo (white guy) right on my Moby Dick (white guy).

On a Midsummer Night (white guy), the Art of Sun Tzu (asian!)
On the Social Contract (whitey) brought War and Peace (whitey) to you.
Great Gatsby (whitey) went to Big Egg, Dante (whitey) ran back home,
Things fall apart (African!) but Huck Finn (whitey) is always gonna roam.
Atlas Shrugged (white woman) and chicken little (well, I'ma be honest, I didn't do the research on that one) thought the sky was comin down
Through the Looking Glass (whitey) Faust (whitey) sold his soul and got a crown
What a Brave New World (whitey) it was, we were thinking we had found
451 Degrees (whitey) and it goes burning to the ground.

One day the Karma Sutra (Indian!) ran into Jane Eyre (white woman)
The Gospel of John (Middle Easterners!) was left just preaching to the choir
Utopia (whitey) was only a Canturbur Tale (whitey) away
But if the Catcher's in the Rye (whitey) then he's only gonna play,
My Experiments with Truth (Indian!) caused Metamorphosis (whitey) in me,
So from here on Treasure Island (whitey) is the place I'm gonna be
While the Caged bird Sings (African American Woman!) the Time Traveller (whitey) went on,
1001 Nights (1001... Arabian nights!) later the Odyssey (whitey) was gone.

So here's an Oliver Twist (whitey) it was beauty and the beast,
And The Little Prince (whitey) had himself A Moving Feast (whitey),
Crime and Punishment (whitey) ensured that justice would be found,
The Red Fern (whitey) grew over Manifestos (whitey) in the Ground,
There's a Lion and a Witch (whitey) but we went to see the Wizard (whitey),
With White Fang (whitey), trying to find shelter from the Blizzard,
Don Quixote (whitey) had a Red Badge (whitey), the Jungle (whitey) was a Zoo
And if we get to '84 (whitey) please don't let 'em get to you.
I'm like Frankenstein's monster (white woman), comin back from the dead
and I'ma grab a fucking Kindle (lol, asian. 'Made in China') and I'll hit you in the head.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 1:10pm

Reading Rainbow was hosted by a black guy... Just sayin'...

Cool song, NK... Now, will this song be sung by Elvis over top of a Chuck Berry riff?

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Mick Cory from Kentucky is reading everything you have ever posted online and is frankly shocked you have survived this long January 30, 2012 - 1:11pm

nkwilczy, wow.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 1:11pm

Yeah, we stole a clip of him saying "Here's some that you might enjoy..." for the end.

Levar!

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 1:15pm

At 0:51... Shit that's funny!

It would've cooler if he was wearing that weird gold thing over his eyes.

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 30, 2012 - 1:27pm

But also, in the proud tradition of Elvis it would only be appropriate to do my music as hip hop. That's what I do, carry on the tradition of stealing things from black people.

But I honestly don't like the beat for Reading Rainbow, it isn't some of the musical work I'm proud of and well, the first album just came out rough (2 white guys making their first rap album in the timespan of a month and a half, yeah, it came out rough). I learned to spend more time on the editing process, redoing verses, and honestly I like the lyrics so much that I want to do a full remix but I am still working on getting a proper beat to replace the first one.

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R.Moon from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's Digest January 30, 2012 - 1:50pm

You could try a Native American tribal song, or whatever they call it. They're the first people white Americans stole from. And in the same way that African Americans have created hip hop and white people gobble it up, the Indians own casinos... and white people still stick their hard earned money into those machines. So, unlike Alien posted, maybe white people aren't the smartest?

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XyZy from New York City is reading Seveneves and Animal Money January 30, 2012 - 1:56pm

Funny idea for the song, man, but why do you classify Cervantes as whitey? Also, it's doubtful that Homer was even really a person, but even then, ancient greeks were some of the first to be oppressed by whitey, right? Cracka-ass Romans coming in, stealin their land and gods and shit.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 2:02pm

I hate the word whit because it doesn't mean anything. Even the word white is racist because people lump irish, welsh, scottish, russian, cvech, romanian, french, german, danish as White.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 30, 2012 - 2:03pm

White*