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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond November 30, 2012 - 11:58am

I saw a sign at the local Disney Resort here in Ko Olina apologizing for closing off most of the gardens from guest access. I immediately thought of prompts and writing challenges and competitions. Well actually didn't but when phrasing my thought I realized that what I was thinking about had equivalent conventions attached already.

So I went back and thought about it a bit more. What I wanted to say was that I wanted to start a thread of transformative phrases that shift the frame from one thing to another to avoid blame or inform differently. Perhaps one of the essences of societal manipulation whether it be electioneering or corporate misdirection. This has been a hobby of mine, wondering on how people come to opinions that don't hold others accountable for their actions and the results. Kale Lassen of AdBusters fame published a phrase that has stuck with me for all these years, roughly, ' How many people must a corporation kill before it ceases to have a right to exist?'

ok, without further ado; the situation of a luxury resort walling off the grounds and gardens where people are paying top dollar for the experience:

"Please excuse us while we  re-imagine"

 

 

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner November 30, 2012 - 12:17pm

ok, without further ado; the situation of a luxury resort walling off the grounds and gardens where people are paying top dollar for the experience:"

I hate imagineering. 

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like November 30, 2012 - 4:14pm

I'm all for a re-imagining of the US govt's corporate policies; and the US govt's govt policies as well.

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner November 30, 2012 - 4:41pm

I fixed this for you. You're welcome. 

 

I'm all for a re-imagining of the US govt's corporate policies; and the US govt's govt policies as well. Brah

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like November 30, 2012 - 4:45pm

I fixed this for you FTFY,B

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Matt Attack from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William Faulkner November 30, 2012 - 4:46pm

Haha, well played. 

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch November 30, 2012 - 8:26pm

Would this be appropriate to your prompt:

Eating a burger at Burger King: "the cow was asking for it."

I don't know, my brain is not working.

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 1, 2012 - 11:21am

Perhaps let me elaborate on this particular quest, no I am not looking for prompts in the traditional way that it is done here at litreactor but in the manner I have been researching and practicing since the beginning of the year following the discovery of the blog Less Wrong which is based on new cognitive science results and discoveries. That discovery and subsequent surfing and reading has led me to the conclusion that it definitely matters what you put in your brain so that it makes perfect sense to search out the very highest quality information that can be found whether it be articles, blogs or books. This hies back to the aphorism "garbage in, garbage out". A comment from a computer language designer of great note in one of his many essays reflected this as well when he said that you must find the very best books on your chosen subject and search them out because there will be very few good ones.

 

So, with this in mind I reiterate that I am looking for paradigm shifting framings of things that emerge from one thing to a completely different thing slipping out from under the responsibility of causation. 

 

Liana, blaming the cow by a carnivore when it is sitting in polite vegetarian settings is a good start.

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Strange Photon from Fort Wayne, IN is reading Laurie Anderson lyrics December 1, 2012 - 11:27am

I reread this thread twice, and keep having the feeling that some of the entries are unnecessarily verbose, yet their messages might be of some great interest if clarified. I could be wrong.

The above sentence could also be clarified in a less wordy manner. You could translate it as: "Huh?"

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 1, 2012 - 12:09pm

All I can do is to attempt clarification until I manage to actually communicate my point.

Perhaps this is not the place to have this discussion, that is the next decision.

Again I must at least allow for propagation times that are normal to litR accounting for day or week and time of day and so on to allow a fair sampling of replies.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like December 1, 2012 - 4:06pm

I think Bret Easton Ellis's movie, The Canyons, will prove to be an example of the "paradigm shifting framings of things that emerge from one thing to a completely different thing slipping out from under the responsibility of causation."

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 1, 2012 - 5:24pm

I got something 

A lab where they're experimenting on monkeys. On the building's front door we read: "Chimplant Lab -- here, the evolution of science is not just a theory."

Warmer?

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 2, 2012 - 2:29pm

Definitely warmer Liana, that made me stop and think it through to parse meaning.

In general I was thinking of politicians and corporations avoiding responsibility for their actions, I've just read two books, Web Of Debt and Unequal Protections which focused on how we have been enslaved by corporations through machinations of money creation and supply, and the famous 'corporations are people' fourteenth amendment rulings, an amendment meant to apply to slave manumission but twisted by a court clerk's comments to side with personhood for entities that now allows them to lie and cheat just like real people.

Since this is the most literate generation yet and we have the interwebs for communication in a Wild West setting that has not yet had the sheriff come to town bringing civilization and complete control this is our chance to forge ahead with figuring out the mechanisms of control and perhaps gain some more basic rights that previous generations fought for and seized in the form of the five day work week, vacations, worker safety, employee protections from arbitrary acts by an employer, pensions, medical care for all and any host of other small and now invisible benefits. Privacy, identity, monitoring, travel, movement are issues in a world that is being constricted by scare-orrist tactics replete with untenable but unchallengeable legislation and laws removing basic freedoms from entire populations for their own safety.

Soon google will unite with Facebook and twitter while the government gets MasterCard and Visa to give up their Safeway, wal-mart and lowes receipts and join with those other guys with computer acreage who tap all the phone traffic in the world and add in the analytics from amazon and online forums to profile every person on the face of the earth. 

Now I'm lost but the point is what shifts paradigms in people's  minds?

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like December 2, 2012 - 2:36pm

What constitutes a paradigm?

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 2, 2012 - 3:36pm

Well I think pharmaceutical companies (and other corporate interests, like cosmetics industry, maybe that even more because it's not in the name of curing people) may disguise their greed by claiming they do everything for the sake of science and progress, which is how they justify torturing animals like monkeys and rats. That's why I thought it may fit.

And isn't (ideological) propaganda that shifts paradigms? Or one thing that does that.

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 2, 2012 - 8:31pm

A paradigm is a place in understanding, proprioception is your inner feeling of your place in the world, your feet on the ground, distance from a tree, height above the earth. When the aliens land there will be a paradigm shift. From what we believe and understand now to the incorporation of the 'we're not alone' to 'what part of god's plan mentioned this'?

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Seb from Thanet, Kent, UK December 3, 2012 - 3:30am

1812: Man wants sex, man marries woman, man owns woman, woman obeys.

1912: Woman has headache, man respects her feelings.

2012: Man offers paracetamol, woman reports him for attempted rape.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like December 3, 2012 - 6:41am

2112: The world is populated by nothing but clones of Genesis P-Orridge, and waterbears.

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Skygrotto from Southwestern Ontario is reading Europe: A History by Norman Davies December 3, 2012 - 7:48am

1812, 1912, 2012...

All false. Try again after you've completed ninth grade history.

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Seb from Thanet, Kent, UK December 4, 2012 - 2:01am

Early 19th Century: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=E2wh2JgYVhEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Early 20th Century: http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/electionsvoting/womenvote/

Early 21st Century: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-20142454

Maybe check your facts before you call me out. In any case, the dates are not important. The post was to highlight a paradigm shift, as is the point of the thread. But I guess you missed that.

Try again after you've completed English Language. Condescending prick.

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Courtney from the Midwest is reading Monkey: A Journey to the West and a thousand college textbooks December 4, 2012 - 10:06am

1. Is that a divorce decree or did you cite the wrong link?

2. Did you just cite the right of women to vote as proof that men respected women's desire to not have sex?

3. Did you just cite a single, random occurence of a false rape allegation in England to prove that women claim rape any time a man offers her a Tylenol?

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 4, 2012 - 11:46am

Ah, here we have the start of a good conversation. Not all people experience life equally in the same way from the same perspective at the same times with the same backgrounds. Some of us get an early start when abused children share with other children, whether it be a good smacking around, psychological repression, religious oppression or even sexual awakening. Then there is the whole societal norm thing of what everybody else is hiding behind closed doors. A policeman sees things entirely differently from the average citizen/serf/ruler and even that depends on the circumstances of the society those individuals  themselves live in. Democracy, theocracy, dictatorship or even anarchy.

Yes?

 

 

 

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fport from Canada is reading The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond December 4, 2012 - 11:50am

Hmm, how about a sharp left:

http://youtu.be/NugRZGDbPFU

 

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Liana from Romania and Texas is reading Naked Lunch December 4, 2012 - 12:03pm

I don't know if this fits as an idea generator, but it's brilliant nonetheless. Since I believe the theory of evolution to be one of the greatest paradigm shift ever. And whoever came up with wall animation deserves some kudos too.

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jyh from VA is reading whatever he feels like December 4, 2012 - 12:12pm

Ah, ... anarchy.

Yes?

Yes.