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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 11, 2012 - 10:32am

I'll survive.

Well, the first amendment in the Bill of Rights prevents the US government from backing a religion, say, by paying teachers and providing a setting for them to advocate a religion by mandating it's rites.

It's trickier in Canada, and I think it has more to do with Provinces there.

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Profunda Saint-... from Calgary, AB is reading Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series January 11, 2012 - 10:37am

Yeah I've been out of school long enough at this point that I don't even really remember most of it happening, they'd usually shoo the lost cause kids down to the library during prayer time anyway, probably why I ended up as a book geek. Thank God*

*This statement has not been endorsed by the Government of Canada.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 11, 2012 - 1:56pm

Yeah, about the religion backing the State. All you have to do is look: In God  We Trust. One nation under GOD. Separation of church and state my ass.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 11, 2012 - 2:11pm

also, my mom was trying to make me leave you guys because "you're a bad influence" and that you are "mutating my ideas of real-world writing." Anyway, the point is that she tried to make me quit here for some bullshit reason, and I said no.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 11, 2012 - 2:12pm

We're WHAT??? 

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Profunda Saint-... from Calgary, AB is reading Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series January 11, 2012 - 2:18pm

We don't give a DAMN about our bad reputation! (And neither should you!)

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 11, 2012 - 2:44pm

You're living in the past, it's a new generation.

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Did she think your voice was changing or that your content had taken a turn for the morbid?

Or because she's read the things we say on the forum....

Probably saw the sex thread (any thread here).

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 11, 2012 - 2:52pm

Well "One nation under God" does have more of a ring to it then "A group of people hoping it goes well."

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 11, 2012 - 3:25pm

Theism is not a religion, that God can be Vishnu or the blind watchmaker, doesn't matter.

My problem with it (the money thing) isn't so much that they are 'shoving religion down people's throats' because who can say they felt legitimately dis-included by the words on the money they use to do coke? It isn't like the Lord's prayer in school thing where people are called out about how they exercise their faith, the Lord's prayer is connected to a very specific group of religions.

My problem with the money thing is that it's actually kind of blasphemous if you think about it. Putting "In God we Trust" on the slips of paper we use to pay for assassinations, wars, the stuff we rob and cheat each other to get. And on the middle of this testament to materialism and greed we remind ourselves "thank you spiritual and benevolent entity, because of my trust in you those damn labor unions will be shot by hired thugs. Your will be done." And you kind of make God implicit in the crimes committed by the US Dollar.

Oh, but you say, not everything you buy with money is fundamentally evil.

lol, between causing carbon buildup with every shipment of anything, paying for conflict minerals to build iPods, and the straight goddamn military budget whatever "God we trust" has his hands full raising hell.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 11, 2012 - 3:39pm

All that aside I'd like to point out that the phrase “separation of church and state” isn't in the Constitution of the United States of America, nor in any law passed by elected officials.

 

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Nick Wilczynski from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin January 11, 2012 - 4:00pm

Not that phrase, exactly, but the first amendment is pretty clear about how religions are to be treated equally by the state.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is how it is put there. Seems pretty clear cut. And the money thing isn't a violation, I never said it was. I said it was blasphemous, not illegal.

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PopeyeDoyle from Rio Grande Valley, TX is reading Chronology of Water January 11, 2012 - 4:28pm

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is how it is put there. Seems pretty clear cut.

Yes, totally clear-cut.  That's why the Supreme Court totally hasn't struggled with the issue since 1899 ;)

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Nighty Nite from NJ is reading Grimscribe: His Lives and Works January 11, 2012 - 4:57pm

Totally off topic: Birthday was yesterday, the wife and I went to Portland to spend the day, so I finally got to go to Powell's City of Books.

Two words: Holy fuck.

One more: Awesome.

Picked up a copy of The Wasp Factory by Iain Banks and The Marbled Swarm by Dennis Cooper.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 11, 2012 - 5:42pm

Typewriter, that's why you never show your parents your writing. I learned that a long time ago. My basis for writing has always been, if people in my family would read it and find it disgusting then I know I'm doing something right. I mean if you told her about your pedophilia story then I get why she's pissed. That is a very taboo topic but you were writing taboo sexual shit way before litreactor on the other website. Also what the heck is "real world writing".  I didn't know I was living in an alternate universe ;p

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 11, 2012 - 7:00pm

I'm not saying we need a official government church, just that we go really far with an idea that is an interpretation sometimes.

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Derek Palmer from Boulder, CO is reading entertaining lies January 11, 2012 - 10:04pm

Damn, you guys have stamina.

@nkw: To be fair, we pay for assasinations and wars in other ways, and we rob and cheat murder each other to get things besides federal reserve notes. I always took it to be faith in America's manifest destiny, in the result of the circulation of currency keeping the dollars value relatively stable. The idea that while, yeah, everybody is fucking up all over the place, we're still making marginal progress because it's God's Plan that America is THE SHIT. Which is crazy, sure, but not outright blasphemy imo.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 12, 2012 - 11:00am

@aylee, I know. Never again.

@avery, stupid, I know

@Meat, yes!

@nk, well, she said that I should be mixing more with people my age and getting their opinions on it. I can't depend on people my age. Chances are, they'll stop reading, because it's "faggy" or "creepy". And once they're done, they'll say, "It was good" and that will be their critique. And when I tell them exactly why their work isn't worth the shit it's printed on, they'll bitch and cry.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 12, 2012 - 11:31am

Well, in defense of your poor mother, I can sort of see her point.  You are a youngone and I can't say for certainty how I would feel if I came upon my teenage son writing these stories or talking to these people *looks around room*.  Of course I like to think that being some sort of something liek a writer myself I would be totally cool...but who knows. 

So my advice is to say "Yes mother." and try to be nice to her.  Then do what you want anyway, within reason, and be safe and don't get caught out. 

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. January 12, 2012 - 11:36am

I can agree with Avery to an extent. I don't get mad or offended when people have that reaction to my writing. My mom read one of my stories (or tried to) and said she couldn't finish it. I take that as a compliment. It only means I'm doing what I intended with my writing. To provoke emotion. If you're provoking emotion...good job, embrace that.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 12, 2012 - 1:56pm

Well, I have a friend who I show a lot of my work to, and I try not to make it horrifying, because she's like you guys, only she writes Amy Hempel-y, not BEE-ishly

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. January 12, 2012 - 2:42pm

I'm ashamed of myself for not reading more Hempel. Or any at all for that matter.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 12, 2012 - 3:34pm

@doll - If he is English wouldn't it be "Yes Mum," or am I getting my accents mixed up?

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 12, 2012 - 3:50pm

Mince meat pie for everyone!

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Profunda Saint-... from Calgary, AB is reading Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series January 12, 2012 - 5:38pm

Don't let her make blood pudding out of you.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 13, 2012 - 6:51pm

@aylee, it's mince pie, unless you mean shepherd's pie, unless you mean steak and ale pie.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 13, 2012 - 6:54pm

...and hey! JACKOTA! Your book should arrive by tuesday.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 13, 2012 - 11:14pm

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. January 14, 2012 - 7:03am

Indeed, I did get the book in the mail. It shipped from Phoenix so I don't know what took it so long. Stupid post-office. Thanks.

 

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 14, 2012 - 8:48am

Thank fuck. Now...who got me?

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 15, 2012 - 5:13am

You never got your Santa book????

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 15, 2012 - 6:24am

No, I don't think so.

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. January 15, 2012 - 9:45am

Mine was sent to my person so not me. Shipping stuff overseas seems to be a pain in the ass.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 15, 2012 - 9:55am

Not really, u just buy something from the amazon wholesaler in which their country is in.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 15, 2012 - 12:29pm

In America, or at least Kentucky, shipping overseas always seems to sound easy till try to do it. At that point it magically turns into a rampaging disaster. 

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 15, 2012 - 1:05pm

fair enough.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 15, 2012 - 5:16pm

I know your secret santa was the guy in the cowboy hat, I forget his name off the top of my head.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 16, 2012 - 8:14am

R.Moon?

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 16, 2012 - 8:14am

Well, I think that cowboy was moon's last pp.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 16, 2012 - 8:16am

no, in fact it was nathan.

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Dwayne from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updated January 16, 2012 - 11:22am

Sorry to harp on it, but I guess it wouldn't be so maddening except that one of the two major private shipping companies in America (UPS) is head quartered in Louisville and the other a few hours away in Tn. It isn't like it costs something extra to ship them from here.

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aliensoul77 from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall. January 16, 2012 - 2:29pm

Yeah, I don't know what happened to Nathan.  Some people never came back after the holidays.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 16, 2012 - 2:55pm

That ass :P I want my fucking book.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 19, 2012 - 1:19pm
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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 21, 2012 - 8:37am

question:

Should i write a story about

a) The daughter of an ultra Christian decides to convert to Bhuddism. Chaos insues.

b) A boy makes out with his sister on New Year's, horror, disgust and eventually suicide insues.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 21, 2012 - 9:07am

C) all of the above!

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 21, 2012 - 9:24am

ok ^_^

Also, I have a scene, but I don't know what at all to do with it :P

 

This is what we call "making tea" in the industry. First, you boil your water in a kettle. You've gotta get it really hot, or otherwise it's shit. Once you've got smoke roiling off it, pour it over the tea leaves in your pot. Leaves must be loose, and you have a tablespoon of tea per person, plus one for the pot.  If you're having chai, use assam, with cinnamon, cardomon and milk. If you're having Breakfast tea, leave it for as long as possible, so the tannin flavour builds up. Once the tea's ready, bring it to the table, and enjoy the age old 4pm British ritual, as you empty the remainder of the boiling water over the legs, arms and face of the captive you have tied to the chair.

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 21, 2012 - 10:10am

Fuckin hell. My ex just called, and spent a good twenty minutes laughing at how much of a fuck up I am, and when I tried to confront him about it, he was all defensive, and like, "What am I doing?" It's one of those days where you hurt the ones you loved.

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avery of the dead from Kentucky is reading Cipher Sisters January 21, 2012 - 4:21pm

Take heart friend - no one under the age of 25 can even begin to consider themselves as a fuck up yet.  And even then, it can usually still be justified. 

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Typewriter Demigod from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by Joyce January 21, 2012 - 4:23pm

Fine, i correct myself. He points out the massive plot holes in my life and laughs about them,

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Profunda Saint-... from Calgary, AB is reading Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series January 21, 2012 - 4:36pm

That's usually when hitting the "disconnect" button comes in handy.