Because I'm working on developing theme (and motivation) in my short stories, here's some stuff I'm exploring.
First, this is a good craft essay on how to spot what the heck I'm writing about (if I haven't consciously figured it out already): "Going the Distance" by Craig Clevenger.
With five, ten or twenty (or more) pages of narrative that isn’t going anywhere, I’ll read through all of it and make a one or two word note in the margin about the subject of each paragraph...
I’ll tally up how many paragraphs I’ve devoted to which subjects, and I’ll tell you what... I’ve been surprised every time.
Theme might be the only thing of a story that matters outside the content and context of that story, that and maybe primal level imagery. I don't really know what theme is. I've been pretty interested to ask other writers what their recurring themes are of a large part of their work, I never really get good answers though and wouldn't know how to answer that myself in regards of my own stuff.
I think it could be seen as that dog you've been running away from the whole time even though you didn't know it was there until it bit you on your ass and spilled too much of your guts out on the page. Or that could be too much of a stretch.
I notice that the story I'm shopping now develops a distinct theme even starting with the first line (which is too transparent, I need to change that.) And I'd built up half the story all riffing on that theme, but all that stuff was just there so I can justify what I had planned as the real story. Maybe that's why finding the theme usually happens after the story, or when somebody points it out to you, because it's only really there to have the story make sense to the reader, the rest of your story already made sense between you and your unconscious mind.
I always struggled with this too. But, I've gotten to the point where I just write the story and in the end I'll find the theme. I also think themes can be subjective, like a song that means one thing to one person, but a completely different thing to another. Some people are just really good at spotting the big picture. My ex was one of those. She could point out every theme that was hidden underneath the story. I'm not one of those people.
There's a lot to be gained from studying the craft, and I study it too, but like I said in another thread, too much studying can become burdensome and overwhelming. It's enough to keep track of where the story's going, but then add in every element of characterization, setting, dialogue, descriptions, etc... And it's enough to drive you crazy. I say just write, write and write some more. And when you're not writing, read read read. I've found that I learn the most about the craft from reading novels and short stories. Picking up little pieces that the author does really well. Just recently I found that Nicholas Sparks has a real knack or creating tension. Yeah, Nicholas Sparks... That just proves to me that I shouldn't discount any writer because maybe they don't write a particular genre that I like. Now, I'll read just about anything.
I've always been partial to Stephen King's observations on theme. He has a great bit about theme (as well as interesting things to say about fiction, and writers) in 'It' when he tells about Bill Denbrough's college days.
Is it bad I don't care about theme? Does thinking about it add something to the story?
I think that theme takes your writing to a deeper level.
It can, but so often it seems forced to the point of screaming author intervening to have characters do things that they'd never do. And it seems like it makes a lot of assumptions about the work as being preachy and not being a reflection.
I tend to write about people, not ideas.
Yeah but you write about those people struggling with something, I assume. There is a conflict, and that is going to be your theme, for the most part. Whatever you are saying about that person and what they are going through and how they go through it.
If you write your characters well enough, your characters embody the theme.
I think theme should be a starting point rather than a result. I've never understood the idea of just writing without a theme in mind and hoping, after 50k words or so, that one just pops out. That's like a football team without a playbook. Get the ball snapped to the quarterback and hope in the midst of all the confusion he makes a great play. Even if by some miracle this unprepared team scores, it certainly won't be pretty without set blocking schemes and receiver routes and whatnot.
That's not to say theme is always my starting point when brainstorming ideas. Sometimes ideas just come to me and I want to work with them. But I would never put those ideas into action until I've figured out how a theme of sorts can be applied to them. However, I think a story is usually stronger when I start with theme.
One of my favorite filmmakers, Bobcat Goldthwait (yeah, the annoying comedian from the 90s), is a good example. For his film Sleeping Dogs Lie, it started as an idea to make a movie about dark secrets. In World's Greatest Dad I believe he wanted to make a movie about how we treat everyone like a saint when they die. (I'm too lazy to find the interviews, but I remember reading in both cases how they started out with these core ideas that could be applied to various plots/characters).
When you start with a theme and draft characters and plot devices to fit the theme, everything will fit together much better than when you do the opposite. Because now your characters will be selected because of how they can apply to the theme, the plot devices won't be arbitrary events. In both Sleeping Dogs Lie and World's Greatest Dad the important plot points directly reflect the theme. To me, that's quality storytelling. It's like running the triple-option. All the players are coordinated and know where they're going and contributing.
Maybe that's the point of disagreement, because if my character really embodies a theme (except for maybe a odd combination/dichotomy) I rewrite them. I've read my own work and thought "No one is such a perfect example of suchandsuch, that needs edited."
For me the question, "So what," always has the same answer. "Who wouldn't want to see what these people do? They are very interesting."
But do the characters progess in some way? Learn a lesson? Change their views on something?
Theme is overrated in some ways. You can be a good writer and good storyteller with weak theme development and be just fine, but a good theme won't save crappy writing or an uninteresting story.
It can add a lot to a good story, but theme for theme's sake is overrated. If your horror story really is about information privacy in the information age, great. If it isn't, if all it is meant to do is scare and entertain the reader, then I don't see a problem with that.
As an academic, I love to see a good theme because it is easy to study and write about.
As a writer, I think people place too much importance on it because they can't think of anything better to say or have been reading certain books that harp on it.
Say you read a story and it entertained the hell out of you. It was plotted meticulously. Every scene mattered and drove the protagonist to the climax. Every character was vivid and interesting. You think back on it and decide it doesn't have a meaningful theme. Is that book somehow not as entertaining?
Writing is an entertainment art. Sometimes, a tree is just a tree. Sometimes, a book is just about escaping a reality that is generally boring and petty.
For me, theme is something that happens naturally, and then gets developed in re-writes. I am a pretty literary writer, so usually I have theme I am developing. However, I can't tell you the number of writers groups I have been in where I've rolled my eyes when someone asked another writer "What are you trying to say?"
For me, it's about the least important thing to worry about.
My thoughts on this go back to something mentioned in another thread, that if there is not a part of a story that is bigger than the story itself then it's just another piece of bullshit writing taking up space. Even the mass market stuff is not purely disposable entertainment. The literary character pieces are tackling huge concepts of the human condition (crime/mystery is probably the other genre that comments on this specifically most often.) Some awareness of "the point of your story" is the difference between stories published on Wordpress or in The Paris Review (plus being vetted by the literary professor/agent you're screwing.)
@ GaryP I appreciate the kind words, but one thing to keep in mind is that I don't advocate the idea that every story has to necessarily have a direct message. Sometimes, I think it's sufficient for the idea of theme to just encompass "what do I want to examine?" Being a writer allows you to make subjective statements, but it also allows you to make objective observations.
I guess that's why, as Jack pointed out, "what are you trying to say?" isn't really a valid criticism if it demands the work to express some opinion.
In the horror story example Jack made - I like this one b/c I'm working on a horror screenplay with somebody right now - a theme that doesn't have to do with horror may make it feel disjointed and unfocussed. That's not to say it can't be pulled off - Aliens had a maternal theme to it, for example - it just might not always be a good idea. The route we're going isn't trying to make a philosophical or political statement or anything like that, we're just using a situation to examine how our characters deal with horror. And we want it to entertain and be interesting (we want to sell it, after all).
I think looking at theme as something more broad than a message opens a lot of different creative paths. Going back to the football analogy, you can go for two and try and make a statement or you can play it safe and just kick the extra point. What's best probably depends on the situation.
Are you in the workshop, Gary?
"Some awareness of "the point of your story" is the difference between stories published on Wordpress or in The Paris Review (plus being vetted by the literary professor/agent you're screwing.)"
Is it though? You don't get to stand there with the reader and say that this particular piece of flash fiction is a commentary on materialism and the inevitable fall of capatilistic society. They have to get that from the writing itself, without your input. Chances are, if they like the story, they will find some meaning to it, whether or not you intended that particular interpretation. You can massage them towards a theme that you are trying to address, but since the rule is show, don't tell, you generally have to avoid explicitly saying it.
I'm playing devils advocate on some of this. I think theme is great. It's sort of like having really nice golf clubs. If the rest of your game is already solid, that new driver will give you an edge. But, if you are still shanking balls into lakes, you are better off addressing other aspects of the game.
That's why "What does it mean?" might be the worst critique ever. If they can't figure that out, then there is no use in telling them. The piece has to stand alone on it's own. You can't defend your writing verbally, it is what it is. Yet, it seems to be the go to for at least one writer in every workshop.
Theme is no more important than any other aspect of writing. If the writing isn't good, no one will give a crap what you are trying to say.
@Gary, I might be wrong about this, but I don't think theme is going to be your biggest issue. If a story isn't compelling, a theme isn't necessarily going to fix it.
Yeah, playing devil's advocate is my favorite game. These discussions wouldn't provide much insight without some counterpoint.
If you take theme more as something intrinsic with the underlying idea of a story, (because that "what if?" idea is as much the theme itself, it is just considering that theme in the reality that that "what if?" creates,) then, this theme or point of the story is what seperates this story from, say, the nutritional information on a box of Wheaties. A lot of great writers can write a story signifying nothing, that doesn't make it a particularly good story. If you write a story saying nothing, people will assume you never spoke.
Yeah, I think where you and I are differing, at least a little, is how we approach the definition of a theme, because I do agree overall.
@Doll - It depends on the character. Some learn something important to their lives, some don't. I'm not a fan of every story leads to deeper insight for everyone/every important character.
@Jack I'd agree that we're agreeing, (I might have a bad habit of doing so in a "yes, but" way.) If I could ammend my bullshitting up there it might be to call it "meaning" to seperate it from any moral commentary?
@Gary, cool. I'll definitely take a look at anything you put up there.
1 - What if a guy woke up dead one day (not a flesh-eating zombie)?
2 - What if aliens stole all the fat on the planet?
3 - What if an angel likes hanging out a bit too much with the bar flies he's supposed to protect?
(some) potential themes:
1 - The meaning of life. The possibility of contributing to society despite one's shortcomings. Dealing with stigmatization (when people just assume you want to eat them.)
2 - Perceptions of beauty. Human adaptability. Cultural differences.
3 - Corruption. Deference. Self-deception or denial.
It just comes down to the details. You can establish a theme without intending to do so. You can also write a book which approaches many themes without any unified philosophical thrust.
One tiny bit of empirical evidence: I got a new rejection letter - it was my first flat-out form rejection. Coincidentally, it was also one story where I actually had nothing at all to say. I think semi-subconsciously (I know, that's not a thing, what the hell), I usually do have something to say, thematically. I do have a lot of strong opinions, so of course anything that comes out of me shares those opinions - unless I make a conscious effort to suppress it.
Conclusion? Theme matters!
Actionable intelligence to be gained from my rambling? None!
Fin.
@GaryP -- haha... I think... (?! = sarcasm)?
I just meant to illustrate how almost any plot could deal with a variety of themes.
Did you already write those stories?
Actionable intelligence to be gained from my rambling? None!
lol
Put the fat-swiping aliens story on the workshop, it already sounds amazing. If you haven't written it yet, do eet!
Conversely, Jeff, pretty much every non-form rejection I've gotten addressed that the plot didn't live up to the theme. And what's always hard for me to take from those is that there's basic story mechanics that are beyond prose and technical abilities, and it doesn't entirely have to do with characters or conflict either. If you put up big ideas in a story you have to deliver as well.
I agree Renfield, that it is the mix that makes the difference, not just the recipe. I still feel about fiction like I did when I was first learning programming - so many things to keep in my mind at any one time, I'd end every day with my eyes bloodshot and my head pounding. Eventually I learned the basics of programming, and then, a scant 10 years plater, I can mostly do it successfully. So, I've been seriously writing for, let's see, about 2 years, so that means... fuck.
Themes always create deeper story telling. I would use them passively however. No great speeches or anything, just scatter it around, or better yet, have a general theme(s) and don't actively bring it up. You should be able to set it up unconsciously throughout the story and then actively say it at the end somehow.
Did anyone ever notice in Heart in Atlantis by Stephen King how he had the recurring theme (or I guess that might be more of a chorus but I don't care) of people being carried?
Anyone read that book?
I'm surprised that nobody has brought up Chuck's essay #2 Developing a Theme.
I can't think of ever writing a story with a theme in mind. I've mostly wrote stories based on a first sentence that pops into my mind. If I get stuck in a short story, I'll try to think of another example of the main storyline, but the only example I can think of, I did all the extra theme stuff after I had written the main story.
In my story What We Keep, which is about a girl who collects the condoms from the first time she has sex with someone, I did this with baseball cards (among other things). It was what the character's brother had kept. There are a few more things that are or aren't kept in the story, and most of those were put in later.
For me, Hearts in Atlantis is one of his best books.
Dark Half and Bag of Bones are the two that still stick in my head.
Bag of Bones is my favorite.
Yeah, I think theme is best seen in the rear-view mirror. Noticing it this way you also so where it is most unrefined without your big smartypants rose-colored goggles on, know where it works, where to develop and where to kill it.
I did just notice, though, that me, I'm a really shitty outliner but I am an obsessive list maker. So sometimes I'll "outline" an idea pragmatically, just riffing free association and imagery that might relate to aspects of the idea. (I see one here in my legal pad for a class assignment, here titled "Smithereens," the story itself turning out nothing like anything on the page.)
There was something cool I read a while ago in The Collagist blog, some poet talking about a handful of themes he wanted to explore and it turned into a character and then a story or something along those lines. It was an interesting discussion, though I barely recall not actually liking the story that much itself.
I think I got my approach on theme from On Writing. I don't consider it consciously at all until at least the second draft. I don't really outline or plan much at all. I'm very much a pantser.
Hearts in Atlantis is great. I highly recommend it.