Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:57am
But make sure you offer them a Natty Lite from your backpack when you get in the cab.
Nick Wilczynski
from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. MartinFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:59am
Lol, nah, pbr.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:01am
True dat. PBR does offer the touch of low-brow class. It legitimizes you.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:41am
We don't have cabs where I live. So, they need to rent a car also. I mean, I guess I could pick them up at the airport, but they'll need to pay for the gas, because it's kind of a long drive for me. Also, I consulted with my agent, and he wants a Happy Meal.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:49am
You agent doesn't want a PBR?
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:58am
Nah. He's not even allowed to drink Coca-Cola.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 9:01am
Your agent is deprived. I'll bet he only gets organic brocolli, too.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 9:02am
My agent doesn't like brocolli.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 9:03am
An agent after my own heart.
bryanhowie
from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING.February 13, 2012 - 10:08am
When I lived in Seattle PBR was the hipster beer. Has that changed?
I miss the old Lucky Lager stubbies. Or, god help me, Heidleberg. I miss my beer tasting pre-skunked.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:12am
The good thing about bad beer is that there are never any nasty surprises hidden in it. You know exactly how bad it's going to be. I have, however, had some really negative moments of clarity about some expensive beers (I'm looking at you, Belgium).
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:29am
irrelevant question, but if you feel physically sick after letting someone down, and screaming at them to get the fuck out of your house, do you love them?
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:31am
Or you might just have a conscience.
Did I spell that right? I know thatis a word, but I'm not sure it's the word i wanted to use.
bryanhowie
from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING.February 13, 2012 - 10:34am
You could leave a case of Heidelberg in a snow bank all winter, forget about it all spring, find it floating in a pond in summer, and by God that shit would taste just the same as a freshly cracked beer. Damn, that's good food.
.
February 13, 2012 - 10:38am
I don't like "madness" it sounds tacky.
I'll be so excited when this comes out that I'll reenact the scene from Moulin Rouge where he does a poetry reading in the elephant. Just have to find an over-eager prostitute to fall in love with first.
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:41am
@avery with this guy, I have a weird relationship. We were best friends for a while, and I let him walk all over me because I didn't have anyone else and he was really nice. The friendship developed into sex, and he's still a dick to me, but I sometimes overreact and really hurt him when he says shit about me. Then, I fall into a period of depression and drink too much and get nothing done and cut myself, and then he comes back and it happens all over again: ie. hang out, have sex, and the morning after, he takes the piss and is a total bitch all morning, and by around 2pm he forgets about it and we do something else, and by 3, he's a dick again. Then, at around 5, he wants me to hug him and forgive him. On top of that, he's a hypochondriac, and constantly bugs me whether I've been tested for HIV or not ~(which I have, I came out negative). He laughs when i fall, but when he falls, he expects me to help him up. That sums up everything about us.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:44am
OMG!! WTF?? Stop cutting yourself! Seek therapy and end this relationship instantly.
.
February 13, 2012 - 10:49am
That sounds too much like an Ellis novel. Dude, relationships that are poisonous are the worst thing EVER. I don't cut myself but I've been waging war on my body from the inside out. You wake up one day and realize that life is too short to be depressed all the time. Can't get hung up. It's like Frank Sinatra's "Thats Life." Your still young, your part of great community of writers, oh and, your young. Turn your pain into art and then sell it.
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 10:56am
@jack/avery It's hard though. He was- and still is my best friend. He's the only person in the universe who understands me, but- you're right. I guess you're right.
.
February 13, 2012 - 11:09am
And wear protection!
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 11:16am
And make new friends. If this personw as really your friend, and if he really understood you, he would never treat you like that.
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 11:22am
you guys ARE my new friends.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 12:38pm
alien's going to try to move in with you now.
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 1:09pm
:hides in the corner:
aliensoul77
from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall.February 13, 2012 - 1:32pm
No, me and Panda are getting married.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 1:34pm
That always struck me as kind of an open arrangement, though.
aliensoul77
from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall.February 13, 2012 - 1:44pm
I may be a pervert but I'm not a pedophile.
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryFebruary 13, 2012 - 2:30pm
Then you're just half-assing it!
Richard
from St. Louis is reading various anthologiesFebruary 13, 2012 - 2:51pm
we could probably get Clevenger to say "These guys are crazy." right?
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 3:16pm
if anyone's a pedophile, it's me. since I've fucked a fifteen year old and a fourteen year old, (im 16). Both cases were concentual and relatively healthy.
Flaminia Ferina
from Umbria is reading stuffFebruary 13, 2012 - 3:29pm
RIGHT!
Flaminia Ferina
from Umbria is reading stuffFebruary 13, 2012 - 3:32pm
I mean, @Richard
aliensoul77
from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall.February 13, 2012 - 5:33pm
You cant be a pedophile if you are underage! Or is 16 considered of age over there? If so, that is so wrong because when I was 16 I was not an adult, I was a ball of hormones.
aliensoul77
from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall.February 13, 2012 - 5:38pm
Even if Clevenger said "Fuck these losers!" I would put it on the cover. If you get famous people to hate you, you become famous by default, that is just how America works.
Bekanator
from Kamloops, British Columbia is reading Ugly Girls by Lindsay HunterFebruary 13, 2012 - 5:38pm
@Typewriter - This guy sounds manipulative and emotionally abusive, and your relationship will only get worse the longer you're with him. Best to get the chainsaw and cut him out of your life. There's no sense in being slow and surgical about it.
Liana
from Romania and Texas is reading Naked LunchFebruary 13, 2012 - 5:51pm
Demigod, if he "understands you" and still acts like that, it means he knows how much this behavior hurts you and does it on purpose. So he's cruel and manipulative. He uses you. Find someone nicer! (all that is easier said than done, but hey, Rihanna did it)
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 5:57pm
Yeah- but I can't just slam the door in his face. It's really stupid, but I've been his friend for...six, seven years now. It just makes me sad, you know. I know he's a user, but sometimes I like being used. It's that I wish it was so easy just to tell him to never talk to me again, but that won't happen.
@aylee 16 is the age that you can legally have sex at, here.
Bekanator
from Kamloops, British Columbia is reading Ugly Girls by Lindsay HunterFebruary 13, 2012 - 6:02pm
I think you're really just used to being dependent on him. He is too, and he's taking advantage. And you "liking being used" is just your way of rationalizing staying in this relationship. That's what he's manipulated you into thinking.
Typewriter Demigod
from London is reading "White Noise" by DeLilo, "Moby-Dick" by Hermann Mellivile and "Uylsses" by JoyceFebruary 13, 2012 - 6:13pm
Tbh i am a masochist. But yeah. I will get myself out of this. It's strange. Whenever he's bored with me, or when I fuck up, he's a dick. But when I play along with him, or if he's horny, he's nice.
Jason Van Horn
from North Carolina is reading A Feast For CrowsFebruary 13, 2012 - 6:13pm
I was told this by a therapist and I tell everyone I think it fits.
Insanity is the act of doing something over and over again and expecting a different result to happen.
I had a bad relationship with an older woman a few years ago and she royally messed me up. I was so hung up and everything I got sick. I kept sticking around though and thinking everything would get better. One day she said something and I instantly quit talking to her. It took a while, but time does heal.
But you can't smack your head against the wall and think it's not always going to hurt. If you smacked it once and it did it will the second time, third time, and so on.
Jason Van Horn
from North Carolina is reading A Feast For CrowsFebruary 13, 2012 - 6:19pm
Sidenote "madness" might come off as exploitive if indeed donating some proceeds, but at the same time I think the anthology needs a tiny bit of edge somewhere in its title.
.
February 13, 2012 - 6:52pm
If were talking pedos. I take the prize.
Nick Wilczynski
from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. MartinFebruary 13, 2012 - 6:56pm
What is the nature of human emotion? Just hormones and endorphines that cloud your judgement? But of course, why do my genitals want someone to talk to? They don't need someone to rub my back, and yet all manner of components somehow muddle the capacity for reason.
I used to date this girl. She was really fun for the first 2 months, and then she had something of a falling out with her female acquaintances. I had met her through some friends of mine, well, a friend of mine, and a roommate at the time. In any event the requests started as very reasonable, she needed someone to hang out, and this developed to all the time, and she needed someone to answer the phone every time she called, which became constantly.
And of course, this sort of a relationship takes a toll on your self esteem. There was a huge rush of self esteem at first, when I had this cool girlfriend who went out and hung out with our mutual friends and was fantastically full of life, but the more and more I was simply expected to sit at her place all day and night, not getting laid, just trying to cheer her up, trying to convince her to join a couples bowling league with me or something, we'll go make new friends. Her introversion became my introversion and it wasn't like I didn't know I was being a tool, like I didn't know that her neediness was crossing over so many lines that I shouldn't let it. She broke up with me, but of course, since she had spent so much time neglecting every other relationship when she picked up her phone she only had me to call. So I kept answering, begging her to take me back, she NEEDED me to take care of her, but of course I wouldn't say that, but it was the motivation that kept me going back to her to beg forgiveness for whatever it was that I had done, whatever standard I had not met.
So, we got back together, but this all of the sudden became some sort of sick game for her where she would break up with me, like, once a month when she wanted something, this proceeds for some time, and it is destroying my self esteem, I was so unworthy, no matter what I change, what I give up, there is always more wrong with me and it's all my fault. I don't even deserve anyone else, you get the picture.
In any event, my other personal relationships are beginning to be strained by these developments, well, check that, this business has been going on for 2 years at this point and all of my roommates have seen the abyss I have plunged into and although I pay my rent and share of the utilites they begin trying to edge me out of my room so they can get somebody else to move in.
Fuck that. Things gradually get tenser and tenser among the house and now I have to juggle spending every waking moment reassuring my girlfriend that I would do whatever she asked and trying to prevent just getting kicked out since the lease was being run on a month to month basis at the time and I had no legal recourse other than to watch over my shit to stop anybody from throwing it out on the street. The fight that breaks out has to do with the trash on the back porch, my roomate claimed it was my dog I insisted it was a racoon, but that it didn't matter anyway because we should never have left the trash out in the open. I say this with a somewhat snide tone.
Motherfucker sucker punches me.
I threw a bottle of beer at him, jumped on his back and started choking him, the other roommates pull me off. I went to bed, sat in my room, brooding. And I've already received the "goodnight" phone call and I am not calling her and waking her up, I'll talk to her tomorrow.
So, I wake up early, go into my roommates room and demand an apology, at least for the sucker punch if not trying to kick me out. He refuses.
I talk to my girlfriend later for the first time and this asshole has called my girlfriend and told her his side of the story in which I started the fight, hurt him grievously, before being overcome by his heroics. Like, there aren't even the start of facts here, I admit I lost my temper, but he just punched me out of fucking nowhere. Anyway, she takes his side. Breaks up with me again, my reaction was something like "I didn't even know you were still talking to this motherfucker you're telling me you've got no friends and all of the sudden I mean less than people who were never trying to cheer your depressed ass up for the last two goddamn years?" But of course these are the words of someone with self esteem, and that was not me at the time. I felt that way but I would never dare tell her that. I can't hurt her feelings or say anything mean to her. But I was legitimately hurt, and I decided that it was time to let it go, if she wants to break up let her.
I lose my room. So I move out of my house and into an apartment, there is a pool.
She is still calling me five times a day to chat.
I still have one friend left, he comes over to hang out at the pool with me. We meet some girls, they are very attractive. My ex calls that night, as she was wont to do. I hand the phone to the girls and tell them that it is my ex.
And sometimes I think it was a little harsh, but I have never regretted that decision. You need to grow your self esteem back, that is what's important. Do what it takes to get the people who won't let you respect yourself out of your life.
J.Dulouz
from New England is reading The Sirens of TitanFebruary 18, 2012 - 6:41am
@
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:37pm
"Even if Clevenger said "Fuck these losers!" I would put it on the cover. "
I'd buy a book that had that on the cover.
"16 is the age that you can legally have sex at, here."
Everyone - is there a legal age you can have sex in the U.S.?? I was not aware of this.
Nick Wilczynski
from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. MartinFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:42pm
Its 18 in most states, but the federal government is not involved directly.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:53pm
I HAD NO IDEA! Of all the laws I thought I had broken...that one never crossed my mind.
Nighty Nite
from NJ is reading Grimscribe: His Lives and WorksFebruary 13, 2012 - 7:54pm
Age of consent differs from state to state. It's anywhere between 16 and 18.
Nick Wilczynski
from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. MartinFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:03pm
Wow, after fact checking it turns out I was wrong, 31 states are cool with 16. I did not know that.
Hell, Wikipedia says it's 16 in the goddamn state I am living in. I've been living a lie all this time.
Unless that is a "within a certain age range" bottom rung.
You know, I don't think I'm going to test my luck.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersFebruary 13, 2012 - 8:07pm
Wait...so it's called 'age of consent'? I think I have heard this, but I thought it dealt with pedophile stuff. Are we all talking about the same thing? Just to be clear. If a 15 year old want to screw another 15 year old, is that technically illegal?
But make sure you offer them a Natty Lite from your backpack when you get in the cab.
Lol, nah, pbr.
True dat. PBR does offer the touch of low-brow class. It legitimizes you.
We don't have cabs where I live. So, they need to rent a car also. I mean, I guess I could pick them up at the airport, but they'll need to pay for the gas, because it's kind of a long drive for me. Also, I consulted with my agent, and he wants a Happy Meal.
You agent doesn't want a PBR?
Nah. He's not even allowed to drink Coca-Cola.
Your agent is deprived. I'll bet he only gets organic brocolli, too.
My agent doesn't like brocolli.
An agent after my own heart.
When I lived in Seattle PBR was the hipster beer. Has that changed?
I miss the old Lucky Lager stubbies. Or, god help me, Heidleberg. I miss my beer tasting pre-skunked.
The good thing about bad beer is that there are never any nasty surprises hidden in it. You know exactly how bad it's going to be. I have, however, had some really negative moments of clarity about some expensive beers (I'm looking at you, Belgium).
irrelevant question, but if you feel physically sick after letting someone down, and screaming at them to get the fuck out of your house, do you love them?
Or you might just have a conscience.
Did I spell that right? I know thatis a word, but I'm not sure it's the word i wanted to use.
You could leave a case of Heidelberg in a snow bank all winter, forget about it all spring, find it floating in a pond in summer, and by God that shit would taste just the same as a freshly cracked beer. Damn, that's good food.
I don't like "madness" it sounds tacky.
I'll be so excited when this comes out that I'll reenact the scene from Moulin Rouge where he does a poetry reading in the elephant. Just have to find an over-eager prostitute to fall in love with first.
@avery with this guy, I have a weird relationship. We were best friends for a while, and I let him walk all over me because I didn't have anyone else and he was really nice. The friendship developed into sex, and he's still a dick to me, but I sometimes overreact and really hurt him when he says shit about me. Then, I fall into a period of depression and drink too much and get nothing done and cut myself, and then he comes back and it happens all over again: ie. hang out, have sex, and the morning after, he takes the piss and is a total bitch all morning, and by around 2pm he forgets about it and we do something else, and by 3, he's a dick again. Then, at around 5, he wants me to hug him and forgive him. On top of that, he's a hypochondriac, and constantly bugs me whether I've been tested for HIV or not ~(which I have, I came out negative). He laughs when i fall, but when he falls, he expects me to help him up. That sums up everything about us.
OMG!! WTF?? Stop cutting yourself! Seek therapy and end this relationship instantly.
That sounds too much like an Ellis novel. Dude, relationships that are poisonous are the worst thing EVER. I don't cut myself but I've been waging war on my body from the inside out. You wake up one day and realize that life is too short to be depressed all the time. Can't get hung up. It's like Frank Sinatra's "Thats Life." Your still young, your part of great community of writers, oh and, your young. Turn your pain into art and then sell it.
@jack/avery It's hard though. He was- and still is my best friend. He's the only person in the universe who understands me, but- you're right. I guess you're right.
And wear protection!
And make new friends. If this personw as really your friend, and if he really understood you, he would never treat you like that.
you guys ARE my new friends.
alien's going to try to move in with you now.
:hides in the corner:
No, me and Panda are getting married.
That always struck me as kind of an open arrangement, though.
I may be a pervert but I'm not a pedophile.
Then you're just half-assing it!
we could probably get Clevenger to say "These guys are crazy." right?
if anyone's a pedophile, it's me. since I've fucked a fifteen year old and a fourteen year old, (im 16). Both cases were concentual and relatively healthy.
RIGHT!
I mean, @Richard
You cant be a pedophile if you are underage! Or is 16 considered of age over there? If so, that is so wrong because when I was 16 I was not an adult, I was a ball of hormones.
Even if Clevenger said "Fuck these losers!" I would put it on the cover. If you get famous people to hate you, you become famous by default, that is just how America works.
@Typewriter - This guy sounds manipulative and emotionally abusive, and your relationship will only get worse the longer you're with him. Best to get the chainsaw and cut him out of your life. There's no sense in being slow and surgical about it.
Demigod, if he "understands you" and still acts like that, it means he knows how much this behavior hurts you and does it on purpose. So he's cruel and manipulative. He uses you. Find someone nicer! (all that is easier said than done, but hey, Rihanna did it)
Yeah- but I can't just slam the door in his face. It's really stupid, but I've been his friend for...six, seven years now. It just makes me sad, you know. I know he's a user, but sometimes I like being used. It's that I wish it was so easy just to tell him to never talk to me again, but that won't happen.
@aylee 16 is the age that you can legally have sex at, here.
I think you're really just used to being dependent on him. He is too, and he's taking advantage. And you "liking being used" is just your way of rationalizing staying in this relationship. That's what he's manipulated you into thinking.
Tbh i am a masochist. But yeah. I will get myself out of this. It's strange. Whenever he's bored with me, or when I fuck up, he's a dick. But when I play along with him, or if he's horny, he's nice.
I was told this by a therapist and I tell everyone I think it fits.
Insanity is the act of doing something over and over again and expecting a different result to happen.
I had a bad relationship with an older woman a few years ago and she royally messed me up. I was so hung up and everything I got sick. I kept sticking around though and thinking everything would get better. One day she said something and I instantly quit talking to her. It took a while, but time does heal.
But you can't smack your head against the wall and think it's not always going to hurt. If you smacked it once and it did it will the second time, third time, and so on.
Sidenote "madness" might come off as exploitive if indeed donating some proceeds, but at the same time I think the anthology needs a tiny bit of edge somewhere in its title.
If were talking pedos. I take the prize.
What is the nature of human emotion? Just hormones and endorphines that cloud your judgement? But of course, why do my genitals want someone to talk to? They don't need someone to rub my back, and yet all manner of components somehow muddle the capacity for reason.
I used to date this girl. She was really fun for the first 2 months, and then she had something of a falling out with her female acquaintances. I had met her through some friends of mine, well, a friend of mine, and a roommate at the time. In any event the requests started as very reasonable, she needed someone to hang out, and this developed to all the time, and she needed someone to answer the phone every time she called, which became constantly.
And of course, this sort of a relationship takes a toll on your self esteem. There was a huge rush of self esteem at first, when I had this cool girlfriend who went out and hung out with our mutual friends and was fantastically full of life, but the more and more I was simply expected to sit at her place all day and night, not getting laid, just trying to cheer her up, trying to convince her to join a couples bowling league with me or something, we'll go make new friends. Her introversion became my introversion and it wasn't like I didn't know I was being a tool, like I didn't know that her neediness was crossing over so many lines that I shouldn't let it. She broke up with me, but of course, since she had spent so much time neglecting every other relationship when she picked up her phone she only had me to call. So I kept answering, begging her to take me back, she NEEDED me to take care of her, but of course I wouldn't say that, but it was the motivation that kept me going back to her to beg forgiveness for whatever it was that I had done, whatever standard I had not met.
So, we got back together, but this all of the sudden became some sort of sick game for her where she would break up with me, like, once a month when she wanted something, this proceeds for some time, and it is destroying my self esteem, I was so unworthy, no matter what I change, what I give up, there is always more wrong with me and it's all my fault. I don't even deserve anyone else, you get the picture.
In any event, my other personal relationships are beginning to be strained by these developments, well, check that, this business has been going on for 2 years at this point and all of my roommates have seen the abyss I have plunged into and although I pay my rent and share of the utilites they begin trying to edge me out of my room so they can get somebody else to move in.
Fuck that. Things gradually get tenser and tenser among the house and now I have to juggle spending every waking moment reassuring my girlfriend that I would do whatever she asked and trying to prevent just getting kicked out since the lease was being run on a month to month basis at the time and I had no legal recourse other than to watch over my shit to stop anybody from throwing it out on the street. The fight that breaks out has to do with the trash on the back porch, my roomate claimed it was my dog I insisted it was a racoon, but that it didn't matter anyway because we should never have left the trash out in the open. I say this with a somewhat snide tone.
Motherfucker sucker punches me.
I threw a bottle of beer at him, jumped on his back and started choking him, the other roommates pull me off. I went to bed, sat in my room, brooding. And I've already received the "goodnight" phone call and I am not calling her and waking her up, I'll talk to her tomorrow.
So, I wake up early, go into my roommates room and demand an apology, at least for the sucker punch if not trying to kick me out. He refuses.
I talk to my girlfriend later for the first time and this asshole has called my girlfriend and told her his side of the story in which I started the fight, hurt him grievously, before being overcome by his heroics. Like, there aren't even the start of facts here, I admit I lost my temper, but he just punched me out of fucking nowhere. Anyway, she takes his side. Breaks up with me again, my reaction was something like "I didn't even know you were still talking to this motherfucker you're telling me you've got no friends and all of the sudden I mean less than people who were never trying to cheer your depressed ass up for the last two goddamn years?" But of course these are the words of someone with self esteem, and that was not me at the time. I felt that way but I would never dare tell her that. I can't hurt her feelings or say anything mean to her. But I was legitimately hurt, and I decided that it was time to let it go, if she wants to break up let her.
I lose my room. So I move out of my house and into an apartment, there is a pool.
She is still calling me five times a day to chat.
I still have one friend left, he comes over to hang out at the pool with me. We meet some girls, they are very attractive. My ex calls that night, as she was wont to do. I hand the phone to the girls and tell them that it is my ex.
And sometimes I think it was a little harsh, but I have never regretted that decision. You need to grow your self esteem back, that is what's important. Do what it takes to get the people who won't let you respect yourself out of your life.
@
"Even if Clevenger said "Fuck these losers!" I would put it on the cover. "
I'd buy a book that had that on the cover.
"16 is the age that you can legally have sex at, here."
Everyone - is there a legal age you can have sex in the U.S.?? I was not aware of this.
Its 18 in most states, but the federal government is not involved directly.
I HAD NO IDEA! Of all the laws I thought I had broken...that one never crossed my mind.
Age of consent differs from state to state. It's anywhere between 16 and 18.
Wow, after fact checking it turns out I was wrong, 31 states are cool with 16. I did not know that.
Hell, Wikipedia says it's 16 in the goddamn state I am living in. I've been living a lie all this time.
Unless that is a "within a certain age range" bottom rung.
You know, I don't think I'm going to test my luck.
Wait...so it's called 'age of consent'? I think I have heard this, but I thought it dealt with pedophile stuff. Are we all talking about the same thing? Just to be clear. If a 15 year old want to screw another 15 year old, is that technically illegal?