Let's say you posted a story in the Writers Workshop, stating upfront that your main concern was a perceived lack of empathy amongst the main characters. (Perceived because I'm not sure how much empathy one can honestly expect from a bunch of 9-13 year old street urchins from 1963). And let's say the first review came in, acknowledging, even verifying, your concern. And now let's say that last night you opened the file and tweaked the characters a little—not a lot, just a little—giving them a smidgen of humanity. Is it cheating to replace the story, so new readers get the new and improved kids, or do ya gotta live and die with the original version? Thanks for your answers!
I don't know why you wouldnt..?
It's not a matter of "cheating." It's a matter of letting the process run its course. One review is not enough to change your story.
Get all the feedback, good and bad, then, as the final decision maker, the writer, rewrite the story.
Changes on the fly is basically telling people to write your story for you. Seriously. Receive all the information, then make your decision on what to keep and what to throw away. Walk away from the story while the reviews are made. Read something else. Write something else. Talk, go for a walk, watch a show, but leave it alone. Stop. Get the hell out of the way as the process unfolds.
That's my two cents.
I certainly can't say anything during a workshop in school. I can't say, "Stop." Change the story, then hand a new version to everyone and then say, "Okay, fixed that, reread the entire story based on the new change, and tell me what you think NOW."
Kedzie. Hi. I downloaded your story and have been working on a review. So, I guess what I would say is, you gotta let the river flow for a day or so. Reviews are slow in here. Secondly, you need time to digest a review, and if you start tinkering with what's on the site, you will shortcircuit the process. It's slow, reviews are slow in coming and not enough in numbers, but that will get better if we all work it. Wait. WRite on the side if you want, work on it however you like, but give us a fair chance to comment before you switch it up. The other thing is....If you change your story with every comment that comes in, you may lose what you had that was unique to begin with....just sayin' give it a minute and let the review that you got ramble around in your being a little before you act on it. You wrote what you wrote and how you wrote it for a reason. I don't mean you can't change it, just get all the input you can before you decide how you feel about what people said about your work. You can always repost a rewrite later. gsr
It's not cheating. Whether or not you should do it depends.
Is it a big change to the story or a smaller one? How certain are you that it's not working? Are you a fairly confident writer or do you tend to be easily shaken by criticism? Did you have an emotional response to the criticism?
If you're certain that you're not happy with something anymore now, and you don't want to just keep getting reviews telling you what you already know, it would be madness to not post the edits. You had to work for the workshop points to post the thing. A finite number of people will be reviewing. Might as well get all you can out of it.
On the other hand, if you're not certain: What Jose said. You need time to process things and you probably need feedback from more than one person. Some criticism can be so subjective. If you're someone who is more easily swayed by criticism, definitely hold off on making and posting edits.
And on the other other hand, if you're feeling certain but you also had an emotional response to the criticism/the idea of making the changes: What Jose said again. Wait. The certainty you're feeling could just be the heat of the moment. Maybe it's a bad review, maybe your confidence is just shaken, or maybe even if they're right someone else will have some way more insightful and helpful advice about how to fix it. Don't be hasty.
You need to sort of know yourself and your tendencies as a writer. Do you easily beat yourself up and lose confidence when you get criticism? Do you really stick to your guns to where it take a lot to convince you something isn't working? Do you immediately blame yourself if a reader doesn't like or get something, or do you blame the reader if it's just one or two people saying it? Can you tell the difference between a reader who doesn't get what you're trying to do and a reader who sees what you're trying to do but doesn't feel like you're pulling it off? Sometimes it's not so easy to tell the two apart, especially if your story is complex (the reader can often be not up to the task), and especially if your story is your baby and you're really, really attached to it (the writer can often be not up to hearing the criticism).
I'm one of those severely stubborn writers where it takes a lot for criticism about the content of my writing to sway me. I'll blame the reader for not being clever enough to get it (bad, I know!). Criticism about how to show the content or whether I've effectively shown it: I'm humbled and all ears and the reader is king/queen. Criticism about the content itself: I'm Kim Jong-un, this is my North Korea, and dissenters will be shot! Before I will start going, 'oh, maybe this really isn't working this way,' I either need to hear it from someone I really trust and respect, or from 3+ people. So, if I'm agreeing with someone right away that something needs to change, it's definitely because it's become obvious to me that it's wrong, and hearing it from someone else just confirmed what I already knew. That's why I'm edit-happy. If you're less of a neurotic, fascist reader-blamer, you might want to hold off on the edits.
(You guys could probably already guess I edit my workshop posts from how I OCD edit my forum posts repeatedly the first 15 minutes after I post. lol...)
With that kind of story, the editor may not be your audience. You can know the mechanics of writing and still not be competent when it comes to deciphering literature. Editors and journalists are probably going to be the least capable, because they're stuck in the mode of believing that language is a code or cipher. Codes have definite meaning. X = something. Ciphers are just codes where you need an algorithm to get to the answer. In reality, language is a signifier. It has malleable meaning. You need to look at and take inventory of its physical features, its denotations and connotations, and you need to infer meanings which are often complex. Someone who makes their living taking language at face value will struggle with that more than others.
Good idea to get more data. I would definitely wait because it sounds like this is nuanced. The characters being assholes isn't in and of itself bad. Not all characters are meant to be liked. In the words of my Infinite Jest professor, "Great literature isn’t candy; it isn’t always easy to consume, and it doesn’t always taste good. But we still need it." It sounds like you need the characters to be a bit psychotic but you just still want your reader to foster sympathetic identification with them, then? It's a tightrope walk. I wish I had time right now to read and offer some advice, since I'm usually pretty good with spotting the working and failing points of sympathetic identification when it comes to antihero characters. :( Possibly later this week or next week.
While you were swapping, I was posting my review. I will take a look at the new stuff soon. gsr
I just saw Mr. Isbell at Red Rocks two days ago! Worth the trip. I know this has nothing to do with your original question, but I think it's a good excuse to let the reviews happen and do something else. It can be become so compulsive to check the reviews early and often rather than letting a few come in, taking a look, and looking for the larger overall themes of the feedback.
He was! And in fact, I was even more excited to see his opener, Lucero, but Isbell never disappoints. I think the first time I saw him was in a venue not even a 10th that size, and not too long ago. Somewhere around the release of Here We Rest.
Oh man, that must have been awesome. Seeing them with John Prine would be so cool.
I know what you mean. I'm an Isbell fan from the Drive-By Truckers days. It's a little tough when someone you like gets big, but ultimately it seems like a good thing, I guess. Good for the larger world, just a little inconvenient for me personally.
Definitely. Ryan Adams and Whiskeytown all the way. Jenny Lewis too.