R.Moon
from The City of Champions is reading The Last Thing He Wanted by Joan Didion; Story Structure Architect by Victoria Lynn Schimdt PH.D; Creating Characters by the editors of Writer's DigestMarch 24, 2012 - 9:49am
Oops, meant Drew Carey.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeMarch 24, 2012 - 9:50am
Most people that lump themselves in any kind of group just want to belong. Condescending , elitist behavior screams insecurity to me.
My pet theory is that hipsters were not-quite-alphas, but not-quite-dorks who decided to secede from the normal scheme of youth politics to form their own regime wherein they can exclude others the way they were excluded from the jock / prep / joe-six-pack worlds, like Satan from Paradise Lost or the Confederate States of America.
Stacy Kear
from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War March 24, 2012 - 10:06am
I would agree with that theory. Most hipsters I consort with were bullied. I think a lot of the personality traits we loathe about hipsters are just defense mechanisms. Infuriating at times, yes but you can just avoid the arrogant ones. A lot of so called hipsters are just insecure artists and harmless.
Stacy Kear
from Bucyrus, Ohio lives in New Jersey is reading The Art of War March 24, 2012 - 10:17am
Hipster love thread haha
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 25, 2012 - 6:49am
My pet theory is that hipsters were not-quite-alphas, but not-quite-dorks"
Horse shit! There would be too much middle ground if that was the case. Actually there are like a ton of different kinds of Hipster. I apparently (can't speak for myself) fall into the "Cowboy Hipster" area. Whatever the fuck that is.
I suppose it has something to do with the traits listed above in my previous post, mixed with boots, farm shit ect ect
I don't even know any more.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeMarch 25, 2012 - 8:14am
I meant originally; by now they have clearly diversified. But I like it whenever I see horseshit in print.
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 26, 2012 - 2:42am
Yeah, I enjoy writing it myself. LOL
Nick
from Toronto is reading Adjustment DayMarch 26, 2012 - 5:30am
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersMarch 26, 2012 - 6:50am
I love that song!
Moderator
Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMarch 26, 2012 - 8:21am
Gay Perry!
Oh, to this:
- A lot of time wasted in Heines Bros Coffee.
I now feel relatively comfortable in my non-hipster-ness. Because Heines Bros is shit coffee. Not because I can buy it online. Because it tastes bad, in a manner completely lacking irony.
SConley
from Texas is reading Coin Locker BabiesMarch 28, 2012 - 8:40am
A lesbian called me a hipster yesterday when i told her Urban Outfitters has cool sunglasses and i don't care about the owner. It hurt my feelings, actually. Of course, she's one to talk because it's totally 'in' right now to be a lesbian.
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 28, 2012 - 8:46am
So, you think she likes women just for the shock value, like hating on Bush?
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersMarch 28, 2012 - 8:48am
"like hating on Bush"
You mean the band? I don't find that very shocking. I mean, they were solid enough, and if you hate on them, I might object, but I wouldn't be shocked.
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 28, 2012 - 8:51am
Bush as in: the expresident. For awhile it was trendy for people say they hated him, depsite knowing jack shit about politics. (I wasn't a fan for the record) I think the first two Bush albums were ok, but now? No. They kind of suck.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersMarch 28, 2012 - 8:55am
Yeah - I sort of figured that was what you meant. But I find that less shocking than not liking the band. Unless you mean Bush Sr. That would be weird I guess. But hating GWB? Meh.
Also, I didn't even know Bush was still a band. I was aware of Gavin's (yeah I call him by his first name) solo thing, but didn't know the band was still around. What am I missing? I suddenly feel old and out of the loop.
bryanhowie
from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING.March 28, 2012 - 8:56am
I met the band Bush. The lead singer was extremely tall and rude. Mostly rude. The guitar player (Nigel) was so fucking awesome. He spent time talking about his guitar and distortion pedals he uses and shit like that. Just a great guy.
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 28, 2012 - 9:07am
@Howie, he seems like he would be a douche, never thought his wife was all that great either.
SConley
from Texas is reading Coin Locker BabiesMarch 28, 2012 - 9:28am
Now hipsters like Bush ironically.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersMarch 28, 2012 - 9:33am
Remember when we ruined the whole idea of Woodstock? I do! I do!
That has NOTHING to do with hipsters. Sorry.
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerMarch 28, 2012 - 9:36am
@Conley, awesome.
@AD, that was the last album of theirs I liked. Good song.
Clutch
from Detroit Metro Area now living in Charlotte, NC is reading "The Spooky Art" by Norman MailerMarch 28, 2012 - 1:09pm
Is that what they're called now, "hipsters". Whatever happened to the term, "homosexuals", or is that non-PC these days?
Mark Grover
April 6, 2012 - 11:30am
ummmm....ouch
bryanhowie
from FW, ID is reading East of Eden. Steinbeck is FUCKING AMAZING.April 6, 2012 - 11:33am
Hipsters have replaced obese people as the socially acceptable group of people to discriminate against. What a weird world.
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryApril 6, 2012 - 12:34pm
@Bryan: I don't think of them as replacing obese people as a group to discriminate against. They just joined obese people.
Nick
from Toronto is reading Adjustment DayApril 6, 2012 - 12:38pm
.... would hipsters ever accept an obese person into their ranks?
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerApril 6, 2012 - 12:39pm
I've met fat hipsters. They normally have beards.
Nick
from Toronto is reading Adjustment DayApril 6, 2012 - 12:42pm
...to cover the fat, I suspect
aliensoul77
from a cold distant star is reading the writing on the wall.April 6, 2012 - 1:58pm
Hey! I'm a fat hipster man. Just be love, just feel love.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeApril 7, 2012 - 1:39pm
I figured it out -- if you're under 35 and wear anything but khakis and polos, you're a hipster. There, it's done.
Unless you're a girl, in which case khakis and polos would be cool.
Ergo, all girls are hipsters.
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April 7, 2012 - 1:42pm
Again, holy crap I hated Portlandia
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeApril 7, 2012 - 1:48pm
I like Fred Armisen but I'm happy not to watch Portlandia.
Arturo Bandini
from Denver, CO is reading Beautiful RuinsApril 10, 2012 - 11:35am
Having just visited Portland, OR for a week, I can confirm that it is indeed the "Mothership" of all things hipster. Oversized eyeglasses, skinny jeans, some kind of facial hair (preferably a logger's beard) and a snobby, "hipper than you" attitude seem to be the prerequisites. I know not all hipster types are rude, but the ones I'd hold a door open for, or say "excuse me" when we almost bumped into each other, etc. did nothing but stare straight ahead and not even acknowledge it. CLASSLESS. I'm sure they were too preoccupied with making sure they fit the look, but still.
So there's some hipster hate for ya. Hope it's not too vile, but I say what I mean and mean what I say (most of the time).
Also: Other than that, Portland was great!
Matt Attack
from Richmond, Va. is reading As I Lay Dying, William FaulknerApril 10, 2012 - 11:37am
I've heard Brooklyn is the hub of hipsterdom, though Portland and Seattle are a close second. How do you like the scenery out there? Always wanted to visit that part of the country....
Nick
from Toronto is reading Adjustment DayOctober 1, 2012 - 4:58pm
It's been a while since we visited this topic. I'm happy to report awareness is spreading:
There are so many hipsters though that you can't really even attack them as a "group."
They're like AIDs. They're here to stay for a while.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeOctober 1, 2012 - 7:44pm
There are so many hipsters though that you can't really even attack them as a "group."
Divide and conquer. Their strategy has left us with but one alternative: to henceforth only make fun of people who aren't hip, which means they've won.
But they can't have won. Because it's impossible.
Nick Wilczynski
from Greensboro, NC is reading A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. MartinOctober 2, 2012 - 8:41am
But if you make fun of hipsters... it'sstill because you think you're more hip than they are. And sure, you can divide it up and only make fun of certain classes of hipsters... but that makes you a hipster and an elitist to boot.
I've been over this before.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeOctober 2, 2012 - 10:14am
I daresay when a 40-odd year old construction worker makes fun of a hipster, it's not because he thinks he is more hip.
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October 2, 2012 - 10:23am
I just hate that the things I do, would most definitely classify me as a hipster. I can't help being hip. Except I have construction jobs on my resume.
I love flannel shirts, coffee, and certain bands. Guess who else does...
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeOctober 2, 2012 - 10:28am
"Construction" is probably too broad.
Renovation == Hip
Roadwork =/= Hip
.
October 2, 2012 - 10:34am
Damn it.
I will angrily blog about this in my chucks!
sean of the dead
from Madisonville, KY is reading Peckerwood, by Jed AyresOctober 2, 2012 - 11:06am
help me understand...i have worn chuck taylors since high school (20 years) because they are cheap and comfortable and not leather...i drink pbr because it is cheap (as do all of my completely un-hip uncles)...i often have facial hair because i am too lazy to shave...but i suddenly feel like the label of "hipster" is being aimed at me. who decided what makes a "hipster" a "hipster?"
Also, how did we all decide that "poseur" sounded dumb after high school, then adopt a new label for the same people once we grew up?
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeOctober 2, 2012 - 11:24am
There are many brands of cheap shoes and cheap beers, yet there are some which seem to be more popular amongst the young and youngish. People noticed and it became a thing.
sean of the dead
from Madisonville, KY is reading Peckerwood, by Jed AyresOctober 2, 2012 - 11:37am
i just think it's silly...my grandpa wore "Buddy Holly" glasses, flannels, drank coffee, wore chuck taylors when he was young...does that make him a hipster? my uncle has a beard, drinks pbr, loves Johnny Cash...is he a hipster? i don't know, seems elitist to me.
but honestly, i don't care, i'm just curious. i guess i can just think of so many better things to judge people on.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeOctober 2, 2012 - 12:01pm
It is silly.
But the grandpa factor is important (insofar as this whole thing can be taken seriously.) Kids like to do things differently from their parents. While many kids hop on the mainstream "new" wagon, others do not; and what options do they have? Either be like their parents (not really an option,) go back even further (that is, to their parents' parents,) or make their own "new" (which is the rarest of all.) Besides which, resale stores are full of grandpa clothes (which are old enough not to be recognizable as something which has gone out of style in one's own lifetime) and old work/outdoor clothes (which were not orignally used as everyday streetwear, but are put to that use by the young.) A frugal shopper can buy bottom-line new clothes, or nice-ish used clothes. There is a limited pool of clothes which are viable options for someone who doesn't buy from department stores. But then, once these looks are reintroduced and repurposed, designers of new clothes will draw from them, and we see grandpa clothes being made brand-new, and "boyfriend jeans" and the like, thereby perpetuating what could have been a momentary trend.
It is silly.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersOctober 2, 2012 - 12:02pm
"i suddenly feel like the label of "hipster" is being aimed at me."
You think that for a reason.
sean of the dead
from Madisonville, KY is reading Peckerwood, by Jed AyresOctober 2, 2012 - 12:28pm
yeah, averydoll? tell me more. is it my latent catholic guilt? or something else?
Nick
from Toronto is reading Adjustment DayOctober 2, 2012 - 12:32pm
My definition of hipster has less to do with fashion and more with state of mind... arrogant, spoiled, lazy, and grandiose. You can drink all the PBR in the world and have the scruffiest beard and the most ironic t-shirt, but if you're a nice, thoughtful, respectful, down to earth person, you are not a hipster in my books.
avery of the dead
from Kentucky is reading Cipher SistersOctober 2, 2012 - 12:32pm
Just probably because "people" call "you" hipster "constantly".
Oops, meant Drew Carey.
My pet theory is that hipsters were not-quite-alphas, but not-quite-dorks who decided to secede from the normal scheme of youth politics to form their own regime wherein they can exclude others the way they were excluded from the jock / prep / joe-six-pack worlds, like Satan from Paradise Lost or the Confederate States of America.
I would agree with that theory. Most hipsters I consort with were bullied. I think a lot of the personality traits we loathe about hipsters are just defense mechanisms. Infuriating at times, yes but you can just avoid the arrogant ones. A lot of so called hipsters are just insecure artists and harmless.
Hipster love thread haha
Horse shit! There would be too much middle ground if that was the case. Actually there are like a ton of different kinds of Hipster. I apparently (can't speak for myself) fall into the "Cowboy Hipster" area. Whatever the fuck that is.
I suppose it has something to do with the traits listed above in my previous post, mixed with boots, farm shit ect ect
I don't even know any more.
I meant originally; by now they have clearly diversified. But I like it whenever I see horseshit in print.
Yeah, I enjoy writing it myself. LOL
I love that song!
Gay Perry!
Oh, to this:
I now feel relatively comfortable in my non-hipster-ness. Because Heines Bros is shit coffee. Not because I can buy it online. Because it tastes bad, in a manner completely lacking irony.
A lesbian called me a hipster yesterday when i told her Urban Outfitters has cool sunglasses and i don't care about the owner. It hurt my feelings, actually. Of course, she's one to talk because it's totally 'in' right now to be a lesbian.
So, you think she likes women just for the shock value, like hating on Bush?
"like hating on Bush"
You mean the band? I don't find that very shocking. I mean, they were solid enough, and if you hate on them, I might object, but I wouldn't be shocked.
Bush as in: the expresident. For awhile it was trendy for people say they hated him, depsite knowing jack shit about politics. (I wasn't a fan for the record) I think the first two Bush albums were ok, but now? No. They kind of suck.
Yeah - I sort of figured that was what you meant. But I find that less shocking than not liking the band. Unless you mean Bush Sr. That would be weird I guess. But hating GWB? Meh.
Also, I didn't even know Bush was still a band. I was aware of Gavin's (yeah I call him by his first name) solo thing, but didn't know the band was still around. What am I missing? I suddenly feel old and out of the loop.
I met the band Bush. The lead singer was extremely tall and rude. Mostly rude. The guitar player (Nigel) was so fucking awesome. He spent time talking about his guitar and distortion pedals he uses and shit like that. Just a great guy.
@Howie, he seems like he would be a douche, never thought his wife was all that great either.
Now hipsters like Bush ironically.
Remember when we ruined the whole idea of Woodstock? I do! I do!
That has NOTHING to do with hipsters. Sorry.
@Conley, awesome.
@AD, that was the last album of theirs I liked. Good song.
Is that what they're called now, "hipsters". Whatever happened to the term, "homosexuals", or is that non-PC these days?
ummmm....ouch
Hipsters have replaced obese people as the socially acceptable group of people to discriminate against. What a weird world.
@Bryan: I don't think of them as replacing obese people as a group to discriminate against. They just joined obese people.
.... would hipsters ever accept an obese person into their ranks?
I've met fat hipsters. They normally have beards.
...to cover the fat, I suspect
Hey! I'm a fat hipster man. Just be love, just feel love.
I figured it out -- if you're under 35 and wear anything but khakis and polos, you're a hipster. There, it's done.
Unless you're a girl, in which case khakis and polos would be cool.
Ergo, all girls are hipsters.
Again, holy crap I hated Portlandia
I like Fred Armisen but I'm happy not to watch Portlandia.
Having just visited Portland, OR for a week, I can confirm that it is indeed the "Mothership" of all things hipster. Oversized eyeglasses, skinny jeans, some kind of facial hair (preferably a logger's beard) and a snobby, "hipper than you" attitude seem to be the prerequisites. I know not all hipster types are rude, but the ones I'd hold a door open for, or say "excuse me" when we almost bumped into each other, etc. did nothing but stare straight ahead and not even acknowledge it. CLASSLESS. I'm sure they were too preoccupied with making sure they fit the look, but still.
So there's some hipster hate for ya. Hope it's not too vile, but I say what I mean and mean what I say (most of the time).
Also: Other than that, Portland was great!
I've heard Brooklyn is the hub of hipsterdom, though Portland and Seattle are a close second. How do you like the scenery out there? Always wanted to visit that part of the country....
It's been a while since we visited this topic. I'm happy to report awareness is spreading:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/four-barrel-coffee-shop-instagr...
There are so many hipsters though that you can't really even attack them as a "group."
They're like AIDs. They're here to stay for a while.
Divide and conquer. Their strategy has left us with but one alternative: to henceforth only make fun of people who aren't hip, which means they've won.
But they can't have won. Because it's impossible.
But if you make fun of hipsters... it'sstill because you think you're more hip than they are. And sure, you can divide it up and only make fun of certain classes of hipsters... but that makes you a hipster and an elitist to boot.
I've been over this before.
I daresay when a 40-odd year old construction worker makes fun of a hipster, it's not because he thinks he is more hip.
I just hate that the things I do, would most definitely classify me as a hipster. I can't help being hip. Except I have construction jobs on my resume.
I love flannel shirts, coffee, and certain bands. Guess who else does...
"Construction" is probably too broad.
Renovation == Hip
Roadwork =/= Hip
Damn it.
I will angrily blog about this in my chucks!
help me understand...i have worn chuck taylors since high school (20 years) because they are cheap and comfortable and not leather...i drink pbr because it is cheap (as do all of my completely un-hip uncles)...i often have facial hair because i am too lazy to shave...but i suddenly feel like the label of "hipster" is being aimed at me. who decided what makes a "hipster" a "hipster?"
Also, how did we all decide that "poseur" sounded dumb after high school, then adopt a new label for the same people once we grew up?
There are many brands of cheap shoes and cheap beers, yet there are some which seem to be more popular amongst the young and youngish. People noticed and it became a thing.
i just think it's silly...my grandpa wore "Buddy Holly" glasses, flannels, drank coffee, wore chuck taylors when he was young...does that make him a hipster? my uncle has a beard, drinks pbr, loves Johnny Cash...is he a hipster? i don't know, seems elitist to me.
but honestly, i don't care, i'm just curious. i guess i can just think of so many better things to judge people on.
It is silly.
But the grandpa factor is important (insofar as this whole thing can be taken seriously.) Kids like to do things differently from their parents. While many kids hop on the mainstream "new" wagon, others do not; and what options do they have? Either be like their parents (not really an option,) go back even further (that is, to their parents' parents,) or make their own "new" (which is the rarest of all.) Besides which, resale stores are full of grandpa clothes (which are old enough not to be recognizable as something which has gone out of style in one's own lifetime) and old work/outdoor clothes (which were not orignally used as everyday streetwear, but are put to that use by the young.) A frugal shopper can buy bottom-line new clothes, or nice-ish used clothes. There is a limited pool of clothes which are viable options for someone who doesn't buy from department stores. But then, once these looks are reintroduced and repurposed, designers of new clothes will draw from them, and we see grandpa clothes being made brand-new, and "boyfriend jeans" and the like, thereby perpetuating what could have been a momentary trend.
It is silly.
"i suddenly feel like the label of "hipster" is being aimed at me."
You think that for a reason.
yeah, averydoll? tell me more. is it my latent catholic guilt? or something else?
My definition of hipster has less to do with fashion and more with state of mind... arrogant, spoiled, lazy, and grandiose. You can drink all the PBR in the world and have the scruffiest beard and the most ironic t-shirt, but if you're a nice, thoughtful, respectful, down to earth person, you are not a hipster in my books.
Just probably because "people" call "you" hipster "constantly".
I'd feel like it was aimed at me too.
Or because you're a hipster.
I think hipster is a "white" stereotype.
But I like Nick's definition better.