Duotrope, the submission-trackingest, short-story marketingiest, rootin'-tootin' best show in town, is going paid at the beginning of next year. Who is planning on paying for Duotrope's awesome services?
Read the news to get the scoop - https://duotrope.com/notes_current.aspx
Too poor to pay for it, can't get paid if I don't sell stories. Fffffffffffffuuuuuuuu...
Not gonna be using it. It's not too difficult to find places to submit or to put together a submission spreadsheet on my own. Saves fifty bucks.
I will likely be subscribing, depending on price of course. I already have several subscriptions that I can't do with out (Poets & Writers, LitReactor, Letters to Everyone, Bitch...)
La Emme Nikita, you can always go to where they sell Poets & Writers and pluck from the "calls for submissisions" section of the classifieds for the low low price of a cup of coffee/tea in most book stores and then compile a tracking spreadsheet a la Renfield.
* edit, the low low price of a cup of coffee/tea has inflated to about the same price as a monthly subscription if they go with $5
I'll pay. It's a great service and way better than buying the endless Writer's Markets every year. I submit stories way to often to not do so otherwise
I'll pay as well. It's pretty convenient, and I'm addicted to Submission Tracker.
I love Duotrope, and think $5/month is more than fair. I am concerned that a lower number of subscribers may mean a lower accuracy, though.
It's worth it, but damn if one month isn't short notice.
And then the whole internet will turn into paysites, and there will be a whole new class of citizenry: the selectively poor.
And then the whole internet will turn into paysites, and there will be a whole new class of citizenry: the selectively poor."
Who is John Galt?
You'll have to pay to find out!
HAHA! Wurd.
I submit stories way to often to not do so otherwise
You can just bookmark all the markets you'd be interested in. You can talk to other writers and see where they submitted, hear tell of open anthologies. The submission tracker could take about the same amount of time to type into Excel or Word as it does into the Duotrope page. I love Duotrope, it is quite convenient, but when it comes to paying $5 for about a collective hour's worth of browsing it seems a lot less necessary.
I don't know if they've even considered other options before jumping from the crappy donations to a required charge for a service that not a great spectrum of writers actually absolutely need. It's definitely a reasonable price, but there's not enough of an incentive for me personally to justify that payment.
way to often"
Too.
Dammit.
It's definitely a reasonable price, but there's not enough of an incentive for me personally to justify that payment."
I'll pay.
Because if I'm paying, I'll be motivated to write and submit more.
If I pay, I'll feel more like I'm participating in America.
I'll pay, because money means nothing to the filthy rich like me.
5 bucks is not only reasonable, it's downright charitable for all that's provided at that site. I'll probably do the 50 bucks for a year deal.
I wonder if magazines will start paying for some options? Maybe a 1 time listing fee for including longer, more detailed guidelines or something....
Back in the day it was called the Writer's Market: came out once a year but you had to go to a place called the bookstore to get it, and it was always snowing, and up hill both ways.
In cardboard shoes
Wow! Shoes!
I've never even heard of this site. Then again, I've never submitted anything. I'm so naive.
I have the latest Writer's Market (I know--a dinosaur), but since you guys have hooked me onto Duotrope recently, I'd be willing to shell out a few bucks for having everything in one place.
Think this will mean less competition?
^Probably less people will be will be submitting to the fledgling markets that no one really knows about, otherwise I can't think of how it would affect submissions at all to the normal places. The stats I think will probably even out just the same because I assume that there's just enough people now who are not reporting stats correctly anyway.
Duotrope does what it does extremely well, and I believe most serious/aspiring writers will pay for it. Very few writers (the more prolific among us) will need a yearly subscription: a fairly natural writing and submitting cycle might have you sending out a handful of stories three to five times a year--at $5 a month you can pay only when you need it.
Personally I prefer to track submissions in my own document as it allows me to write comments--stories that received feedback, editors that requested more work, etc--and if I remember correctly, duotrope's did not (and I found it kind of unattractive).
It's not very difficult to compile your own list of publications. Every year The Best American Short Stories publishes the list of all the American and Canadian magazines it considers for the award (check the back of the book). If you're writing literary fiction you really don't need to look further. For genre, I'm sure some of the genre award sites/anthologies will have similar lists.
There won't be any less competition for writers, but it does open the door for someone to compete against duotrope (which didn't make sense when it was free). I'm sure the folks at Writer's Market are feeling thrilled to be back in the game.
I'm sure I'll buy a month here and there. I will miss their monthly news letter which was always fun to scroll through for deadlines that your stories might suit, though I think I only ever submitted to one. It's a very cool site and a shame it can't remain free, but it was inevitable really.
Personally I prefer to track submissions in my own document as it allows me to write comments--stories that received feedback, editors that requested more work, etc--and if I remember correctly, duotrope's did not (and I found it kind of unattractive).
Duotrope does sort of have this, but it's more of a hassle to input all that stuff into the site rather than keeping your own tally.
The online Writer's Market actually has a cheaper subscription, and though it doesn't have the really cool statistics, otherwise has much more useful data and just a larger pool of markets and agents iirc.
I've never actually looked at the online Writer's Market. I used to buy it in book form every few years, then worked at a library which kept a copy. Just kind of forgot about them when I discovered duotrope. Will check it out.
No one on Duotrope has ever reported an acceptance to the New Yorker.
No one on Duotrope has ever been accepted at The New Yorker.
I've reported a rejection by The New Yorker. Short and to the point, as one might expect:
We regret that we are unable to use the enclosed material. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to consider it.
Sincerely,
The Editors
Love "the enclosed material." --so cryptic, could be a story, could a turd in a sack. Figured everyone should be rejected by TNY at least once in their career, the hallmark of outsized ambition. I got it out of the way early.
LOL @ MattF I got rejected by the The Newer York. Not sure how they didn't get sued. I just submitted it two days ago. You have to admire that kind of speed and efficiency. I may just submit something to the New Yorker, just to get it out of the way myself.
Thanks for submitting "Wednesday," but I'm going to pass on it. It didn't quite work for me, I'm afraid. Best of luck to you placing this one elsewhere, and thanks again for sending it my way.
I did find a market that had a 306 day average return time. What the fuck are they doing?
It appears The Atlantic has a zero acceptance rate as well.
Sure I could publish more, but I find the 1%'s far too permissive. I only send work to the zeros--the only way to distinguish yourself from the rabble...
Do you pay someone to scratch your butthole for you too? That's basically on the same level of convenience as Duotrope.
Wait, I can pay somebody to scratch my butthole? And I've been doing myself like a goddamn idiot.
Annnnd, just checking out what this duotope thing is that you've all been talking about...
Out of touch? who, what, me?
Use the Google, H.I. It's free.
Penetrator, I was referring H.I.M. to google duotrope, mmmmkay. Because my time is too valuable to explain the site and the whole "teach a man to fish" thing....
I paid. I also contributed before it went pay, so I don't feel like a total tool. It's a good site and I don't think there's much else that rivals it for what it does. And it's been better for me than the stuff I've used to keep track on my own.
I do hope the stats don't get affected too badly. It worries me slightly, but I'm hoping it all evens out, and most of the writers I know have opted to pay, so that's hopeful.
Though I must admit it does feel sort of ironic to pay for a service which at this point has basically done nothing but chronicle my failure to get published. (Thank God for that one Solarcide credit I have on there, otherwise it would be a dismal field indeed.)
Oh, also, I've had stuff out at Hyperpulp for probably a year and a half. I sent them two stories, and when I asked them about it after a year, they said they were still considering them. At this point I'm just letting it ride because I think the stories are crap and I want to see when they'll finally get around to rejecting me.
So, if you're ever trying to market any type of romance fiction, it appears Duotrope likes porn. I also find it curious the disproportionate number of periodicals charactering to amputee erotica.
My favorite amputee erotica story ever was "Come on Eileen"
...wait for it...
...wait for it...
Thanks, I'll be here all night!
Sure I could publish more, but I find the 1%'s far too permissive. I only send work to the zeros--the only way to distinguish yourself from the rabble...
This makes me laugh, even after multiple viewings. Last two things I sent were to a less-than-one and a zero. Were this not the case, I believe the comment would still be funny.
Six submissions done today. I'll be paying up once the holiday cash from T's rich Republican grandpa rolls in.
Screw Duotrope. They could have put some advertising on their site instead, but no it's all about the dollar dollar bill yo!
And yeah I'm new.
They had been operating under-funded for years providing a service that the Writer's Market charges for, and doing a better job of it, particularly for genre writers. A large percentage of people were perfectly happy using for free and didn't feel the need to donate, despite constantly being asked on the website. This really isn't tha much more than I donated in a year. Personally, I think the publishers should be chipping in, particularly non-paying ones, but that isn't going to happen. Duotrope provides a great service and deserves to get reimbursed for it.
After Richard taught me how to use Duotrope, I find it to be the 2nd most useful site on the web (Lit Reactor being #1 for me [tubetrooper.com being #3]).
I had the same thought as Jack about publishers paying a listing fee until I realized it would probably kill their site. They rely on having the most comprehensive list, and if they went paid-for-publishers, it would destroy their ability to compete with non-paid sites. Plus, I realized I wouldn't pay for Parable to be listed, but I'm damn well going to pay for their services as a writer.
And like Jack said, they're the best for genre markets, but those are the least-well-funded usually and probably wouldn't be able to justify paying for a listing when there are so many other places they could list themselves.
Seriously, though, fuck it. I'm paying because they're the shit.
Paying for duotrope was a no brainer for me. Frankly, I was shocked it was free to begin with, and was happy to get a chance to try it out before it went paid. Its an amazing resource.