justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 15, 2014 - 8:52pm
Home is where the heart is. :)
Natso
from Mongolia is reading Moby DickMay 15, 2014 - 9:52pm
7 more posts aside from this post and I get the Scribbler achievement!
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 16, 2014 - 10:21pm
Go for it, N!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 17, 2014 - 1:25am
Or will you?
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 17, 2014 - 10:39pm
@Dwayne--
Me? or Natso?
Also, Mr. D-- did you watch the Preakness? Man, how cool would it be to finally have a triple crown winner?! Saw Affirmed; best was Secretariat... I love to watch those beautiful animals run; there is nothing finer. I get chill bumps. I'll keep my fingers crossed for the crown.. California Chrome is a beautiful horse.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 18, 2014 - 12:49am
Woah, I nearly lost my place, but here I am.
Natso
from Mongolia is reading Moby DickMay 18, 2014 - 8:55pm
Sweet yeti of the Serenghetti! I'm gonna get the Scribbler achievement right now! Oh mamma-mia! :)
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 19, 2014 - 6:02am
@Justwords - Unlikely to happen, but I'd rather not. They'd rename a bunch of streets here.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 19, 2014 - 5:51pm
@Dwayne--What magnificent animals! I just love the beauty of seeing them running. Cal. Chrome got a concession from the judges to wear the "patch" like humans wear (sorta) to keep from snoring. I'm not sure he'll have the endurance, but it's kinda like that Batman movie where Bruce keeps trying to make the climb up from the pit..
Truth is, they've really bred these horses to the point that they can't make it any faster. You probably know this better than I do, being in Lexington, I guess. I just love watching someone or something achieving their best--
Hey, how much would all the signs cost? And if Kentucky is broke like the other Southern satates, they can't afford to fix the bridges that are falling down (ours date back at least 40, 50, plus years), much less worry about renaming streets for tourists--locals know how to get where they're going, so what's the problem?
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 20, 2014 - 5:23am
I see someone hasn't spent much/any time in my fair city.
Lots of people here are into horses, but it is just sort of part of the background I guess. It might be the only place in America that a woman in tight clothes and riding crop isn't up to anything perverted. New Yorkers don't stare at the Statue of Liberty, and I'll drive by a billion dollars worth of horses without them registering because we all get desensitized.
It would be a hassle for tourists, which is a major industry here because they like to come look at the horses, but we wouldn't even think of that. We would however mess up the signs. Sort of like the Welcome To Lexington signs that are at least 10 miles from the edge of town or highway or airport that they spent I think a million dollars for as part of the 2010 World Equestrian Games. The games were over when they got here.
But even if they use little normal signs (they won't) they are going to rename some road big enough that it has stuff named for it (Tates Creek Road near where I live has apartments called Tates Creek Villiage, etc.) so that'll be odd because they won't change. And most of them won't even make that much sense, because at least they will be by the creek they named after. And they'll change some of the hundreds of side streets that people who've lived here since birth don't know, because I don't know. The guy who names the streets hates us? Plust traffic sucks and it is laid out like it is laid out like a bicycle tire made by an idiot.
As for getting faster I don't know. I'd say if nothing else they will be able to expand how long they can stay at peak speed so they'll be able to have better race times, but that might be over hundreds of generations and we'll only live to see what 15 or 20 generations of horse? So really we'll never know.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 20, 2014 - 8:28pm
Dwayne - you are so right (as you usually are!). I was there one time, but I had a great Time!
Birmingham was basically a small farm (1 make-believe plantation-- and a tiny village) before the Civil War; even the Native Americans didn't settle here because it's so hilly/mountainous (yes we have mountains--older than the Rockies. Ours have worn down over the millineums that followed, which is why the Appalachian Mtns. are gently sloping as opposed to the mts. that jut straight up out of the plains like the Rockies.). We came about because of steel--all the ingredients that were used at the time were and are here; we just needed railroads tied in, which happened, and voila! a new town. Of course, someone invented a better, even cheaper way to make steel; so now we tout our medical facilities.
I love your metaphor of a bicycle tire! I get that totally.
As regards the horse's capacity for greater speed, at some point the lungs will need more blood than the heart can provide without a bigger chest, and thus more weight, which would defeat the purpose, is what I've been told. Their legs are already bearing a great load as regarding speed; I remember watching Ruffian in 1975 break her leg--it was heartbreaking. I edited a couple of books on the thoroughbreds that Richard Stone Reeves was requested to paint, and he had so many interesting stories--the most on the people who owned these beauties. It was a history lesson for me.
Do you ever wonder who Mr. Tate was? There is a Watkins Creek behind me (Ethan & Henry later--an early hearty settler) that flows into the Cahaba River (our local Native Indians named most of our natural areas, including our state's name, Alabama (all our local names end in "a": Talladega, Tuscaloosa, Sylacauga, Wetumpka). Let me know if you find out about your Mr. Tate! :) Cheers, D!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 21, 2014 - 10:51am
Do you ever wonder who Mr. Tate was?
No.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 21, 2014 - 5:50pm
okay!
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeMay 21, 2014 - 9:37pm
I'm changing course...
There.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 21, 2014 - 11:40pm
Ohhh, which direction is that?
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 22, 2014 - 5:18am
Back towards Kentucky. Anyone who is going to the Books and Booze event in Louisville? I see IDs on Facebook and Lord forgive me but some folks on here for years with me I don't know their real name. I'm horrible, sorry.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 22, 2014 - 2:20pm
How big is that anyway? It sounds like a good time. Just curious about attendees.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 22, 2014 - 2:42pm
I think 19 or 20 on Facebook, not sure how many will be there.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 24, 2014 - 5:15am
So tired, but also cannot be bothered going to bed. Why does that happen?
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 24, 2014 - 7:37am
That happens to me a lot too... Ah, to sleep, perchance to dream! I thought it was just me being perverse. :)
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 27, 2014 - 6:00am
I am in Hanoi :-) It is the perfect crazy manic place, with many moments of calming bliss.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 27, 2014 - 1:33pm
How's the food? I've heard there are a couple of good places to eat...?
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMay 27, 2014 - 1:40pm
Forget the food! How's the heroin?
Grigori Black
from US is reading Radium Girls by Amanda GowinMay 27, 2014 - 1:42pm
Forget the heroin, how's the human trafficking?
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMay 27, 2014 - 2:05pm
Yeah, are the streets still crowded?
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 28, 2014 - 6:50am
ok guys.... (sigh)
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 28, 2014 - 6:50am
Ok- food is brilliant , I am loking to take some cooking lessons whilst I am here.
I have not tried the heroin. I don't even know the word for it in vietnamese.
I also have not witnessed the human trafficking.
I Am on a volunteer placement working with people, and therefore their children and grandchildren, left with the results of agent orange poisoning in the war. These kids are amazing, bright, happy, eager to learn.
Streets in Hanoi are very crowded, and so fricken awesome. I love and crowded city as much as I love solitude.
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMay 28, 2014 - 6:58am
There is no such thing as human agent orange poisoning. Agent orange (also known as Roundup) is completely safe for humans.
This public service announcement brought to you by Monsanto Corp.
You're welcome.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 28, 2014 - 7:38am
Monsanto Corp
Head. Wall. Repeat.
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMay 28, 2014 - 7:39am
You don't like Monsanto?
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 28, 2014 - 2:05pm
It isn't that. Just seems like no one gets mad at them over stuff that they did because they are too upset about misremembered stories from online.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 28, 2014 - 3:18pm
@Dwayne-- I second your first comment. We had a place on Logan Martin Lake, on the Choccolocco branch of the Coosa River not far from Anniston (about 45 minutes by interstate from B'ham). Monsanto poured its pollution deliberately, and then oops! "mistakenly" into this feeder into the lake, poisoning the fish even to today; the state has repeatedly warned people not to eat any fish from there. I've seen fish with gross sores, 3 eyes, all kinds of crap.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 28, 2014 - 10:17pm
Yeah, which sucks and should be dealt with but they aren't Dr. Doom.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 29, 2014 - 4:51am
Day 3 and having a great time. Today I helped in rehab and the severely disabled kids. Also every Thursday is gardening day, so the morning is spent gardening, they grow lots of their own veg here. So all,staff, kids, teachers, nurses, Doctors all garden.
Excuse my typos, I am using a samsung tablet and have trigger happy fingers and I don't edit.
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Utah
from Fort Worth, TX is reading Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryMay 29, 2014 - 5:16am
Props for having the courage to not edit. You get it right the first time, or it all lays out there for everybody to see.
Grigori Black
from US is reading Radium Girls by Amanda GowinMay 29, 2014 - 5:47am
Eh, I'm in the opposite end of the spectrum: All I'm doing is editing. I'm in the edit until your eyes (and fingers) bleed stage of machete hacking my first draft of a project.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 29, 2014 - 6:32pm
@Renae-- I know you're volunteering, but do they give you housing? I'm assuming you are responsible for food etc. Sounds like you're having a blast, and getting extra points for heaven (if you believe in that kind of thing; if not, well, believe in karma!). Good on you!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 30, 2014 - 8:09pm
The Dragon King Khesar Namgyel is a jerk.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 30, 2014 - 6:04am
Ha ha, don't believe in heaven or karma. It just happens, no great plan, no universe input. No rules, bit anarchistic really, worm food in the end.
Yeah I have accomodation at the centre, very basic and shared. You can eat here and eat the same as the kids and staff. I have started going outside for lunch for a change. Facebook me up and you can see some pics and a few details.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 30, 2014 - 6:05am
Dragon king.. gonna have to google that one.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 30, 2014 - 1:35pm
Me too; Dwayne comes up with some obscure stuff... Looking forward to the pix!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 30, 2014 - 8:12pm
The fact this guy doesn't get more attention is sad in and of itself. Dude is hyper oppressive. His father exiled a 100,000 people because of their race, and he won't let them return. I do some volunteer work with the refugees (not enough).
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 31, 2014 - 1:27pm
Wow, just when you think you have a handle on someone, they should another side of themselves. You are a complex dude, Dwayne. I have heard of this guy, but not that name for him. The media doesn't cover a lot of important news, I think. Thanks for the info.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 31, 2014 - 7:54pm
Some of these people were born in tents and resided their whole life in them until they came to America. I think some still do. Dehumanizing someone by denying them the chance to ever improve is about the worst thing you can do.
...the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living.
- attributed to John D. Rockefeller
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyJune 1, 2014 - 3:27pm
I agree with you and Mr. Rockefeller. You're a good man.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedJune 1, 2014 - 3:45pm
Thanks, but I wouldn't say all that. Lots of people do a lot more to oppose this villain than I do, I'm barely not making it worse.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!June 1, 2014 - 5:08pm
Barely not making it worse. I like that. It's a good philosophy I think.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyJune 1, 2014 - 9:35pm
Hey, a doctor's first instruction is "First, do no harm." --- I think that speaks for itself. I hope I can say as much at the end of every day... not that I have any power, but everyone has the ability to do harm somehow, and often those who intend to good are found on the "path to hell" paved by good intentions.
I still say you are a good man, Mr. D. And RG, you are a good woman; Flannery O'Connor wrote a whole short story collection (10 in all) on what makes a good man/woman in A Good Man Is Hard To Find -- and so they are.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedJune 2, 2014 - 5:24am
Well, thank you. But lets aim a little higher than bnmiw.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyJune 2, 2014 - 6:46am
Ok; as in "A man's aim should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" :)
Home is where the heart is. :)
7 more posts aside from this post and I get the Scribbler achievement!
Go for it, N!
Or will you?
@Dwayne--
Me? or Natso?
Also, Mr. D-- did you watch the Preakness? Man, how cool would it be to finally have a triple crown winner?! Saw Affirmed; best was Secretariat... I love to watch those beautiful animals run; there is nothing finer. I get chill bumps. I'll keep my fingers crossed for the crown.. California Chrome is a beautiful horse.
Woah, I nearly lost my place, but here I am.
Sweet yeti of the Serenghetti! I'm gonna get the Scribbler achievement right now! Oh mamma-mia! :)
@Justwords - Unlikely to happen, but I'd rather not. They'd rename a bunch of streets here.
@Dwayne--What magnificent animals! I just love the beauty of seeing them running. Cal. Chrome got a concession from the judges to wear the "patch" like humans wear (sorta) to keep from snoring. I'm not sure he'll have the endurance, but it's kinda like that Batman movie where Bruce keeps trying to make the climb up from the pit..
Truth is, they've really bred these horses to the point that they can't make it any faster. You probably know this better than I do, being in Lexington, I guess. I just love watching someone or something achieving their best--
Hey, how much would all the signs cost? And if Kentucky is broke like the other Southern satates, they can't afford to fix the bridges that are falling down (ours date back at least 40, 50, plus years), much less worry about renaming streets for tourists--locals know how to get where they're going, so what's the problem?
I see someone hasn't spent much/any time in my fair city.
Lots of people here are into horses, but it is just sort of part of the background I guess. It might be the only place in America that a woman in tight clothes and riding crop isn't up to anything perverted. New Yorkers don't stare at the Statue of Liberty, and I'll drive by a billion dollars worth of horses without them registering because we all get desensitized.
It would be a hassle for tourists, which is a major industry here because they like to come look at the horses, but we wouldn't even think of that. We would however mess up the signs. Sort of like the Welcome To Lexington signs that are at least 10 miles from the edge of town or highway or airport that they spent I think a million dollars for as part of the 2010 World Equestrian Games. The games were over when they got here.
But even if they use little normal signs (they won't) they are going to rename some road big enough that it has stuff named for it (Tates Creek Road near where I live has apartments called Tates Creek Villiage, etc.) so that'll be odd because they won't change. And most of them won't even make that much sense, because at least they will be by the creek they named after. And they'll change some of the hundreds of side streets that people who've lived here since birth don't know, because I don't know. The guy who names the streets hates us? Plust traffic sucks and it is laid out like it is laid out like a bicycle tire made by an idiot.
As for getting faster I don't know. I'd say if nothing else they will be able to expand how long they can stay at peak speed so they'll be able to have better race times, but that might be over hundreds of generations and we'll only live to see what 15 or 20 generations of horse? So really we'll never know.
Dwayne - you are so right (as you usually are!). I was there one time, but I had a great Time!
Birmingham was basically a small farm (1 make-believe plantation-- and a tiny village) before the Civil War; even the Native Americans didn't settle here because it's so hilly/mountainous (yes we have mountains--older than the Rockies. Ours have worn down over the millineums that followed, which is why the Appalachian Mtns. are gently sloping as opposed to the mts. that jut straight up out of the plains like the Rockies.). We came about because of steel--all the ingredients that were used at the time were and are here; we just needed railroads tied in, which happened, and voila! a new town. Of course, someone invented a better, even cheaper way to make steel; so now we tout our medical facilities.
I love your metaphor of a bicycle tire! I get that totally.
As regards the horse's capacity for greater speed, at some point the lungs will need more blood than the heart can provide without a bigger chest, and thus more weight, which would defeat the purpose, is what I've been told. Their legs are already bearing a great load as regarding speed; I remember watching Ruffian in 1975 break her leg--it was heartbreaking. I edited a couple of books on the thoroughbreds that Richard Stone Reeves was requested to paint, and he had so many interesting stories--the most on the people who owned these beauties. It was a history lesson for me.
Do you ever wonder who Mr. Tate was? There is a Watkins Creek behind me (Ethan & Henry later--an early hearty settler) that flows into the Cahaba River (our local Native Indians named most of our natural areas, including our state's name, Alabama (all our local names end in "a": Talladega, Tuscaloosa, Sylacauga, Wetumpka). Let me know if you find out about your Mr. Tate! :) Cheers, D!
No.
okay!
I'm changing course...
There.
Ohhh, which direction is that?
Back towards Kentucky. Anyone who is going to the Books and Booze event in Louisville? I see IDs on Facebook and Lord forgive me but some folks on here for years with me I don't know their real name. I'm horrible, sorry.
How big is that anyway? It sounds like a good time. Just curious about attendees.
I think 19 or 20 on Facebook, not sure how many will be there.
So tired, but also cannot be bothered going to bed. Why does that happen?
That happens to me a lot too... Ah, to sleep, perchance to dream! I thought it was just me being perverse. :)
I am in Hanoi :-) It is the perfect crazy manic place, with many moments of calming bliss.
How's the food? I've heard there are a couple of good places to eat...?
Forget the food! How's the heroin?
Forget the heroin, how's the human trafficking?
Yeah, are the streets still crowded?
ok guys.... (sigh)
Ok- food is brilliant , I am loking to take some cooking lessons whilst I am here.
I have not tried the heroin. I don't even know the word for it in vietnamese.
I also have not witnessed the human trafficking.
I Am on a volunteer placement working with people, and therefore their children and grandchildren, left with the results of agent orange poisoning in the war. These kids are amazing, bright, happy, eager to learn.
Streets in Hanoi are very crowded, and so fricken awesome. I love and crowded city as much as I love solitude.
There is no such thing as human agent orange poisoning. Agent orange (also known as Roundup) is completely safe for humans.
This public service announcement brought to you by Monsanto Corp.
You're welcome.
Head. Wall. Repeat.
You don't like Monsanto?
It isn't that. Just seems like no one gets mad at them over stuff that they did because they are too upset about misremembered stories from online.
@Dwayne-- I second your first comment. We had a place on Logan Martin Lake, on the Choccolocco branch of the Coosa River not far from Anniston (about 45 minutes by interstate from B'ham). Monsanto poured its pollution deliberately, and then oops! "mistakenly" into this feeder into the lake, poisoning the fish even to today; the state has repeatedly warned people not to eat any fish from there. I've seen fish with gross sores, 3 eyes, all kinds of crap.
Yeah, which sucks and should be dealt with but they aren't Dr. Doom.
Day 3 and having a great time. Today I helped in rehab and the severely disabled kids. Also every Thursday is gardening day, so the morning is spent gardening, they grow lots of their own veg here. So all,staff, kids, teachers, nurses, Doctors all garden.
Excuse my typos, I am using a samsung tablet and have trigger happy fingers and I don't edit.
Props for having the courage to not edit. You get it right the first time, or it all lays out there for everybody to see.
Eh, I'm in the opposite end of the spectrum: All I'm doing is editing. I'm in the edit until your eyes (and fingers) bleed stage of machete hacking my first draft of a project.
@Renae-- I know you're volunteering, but do they give you housing? I'm assuming you are responsible for food etc. Sounds like you're having a blast, and getting extra points for heaven (if you believe in that kind of thing; if not, well, believe in karma!). Good on you!
The Dragon King Khesar Namgyel is a jerk.
Ha ha, don't believe in heaven or karma. It just happens, no great plan, no universe input. No rules, bit anarchistic really, worm food in the end.
Yeah I have accomodation at the centre, very basic and shared. You can eat here and eat the same as the kids and staff. I have started going outside for lunch for a change. Facebook me up and you can see some pics and a few details.
https://www.facebook.com/renae.grundy?ref=tn_tnmn
Dragon king.. gonna have to google that one.
Me too; Dwayne comes up with some obscure stuff... Looking forward to the pix!
The fact this guy doesn't get more attention is sad in and of itself. Dude is hyper oppressive. His father exiled a 100,000 people because of their race, and he won't let them return. I do some volunteer work with the refugees (not enough).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Khesar_Namgyel_Wangchuck
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/11/bhutan-crowns-new-king-refugees-barely-remembered/
Wow, just when you think you have a handle on someone, they should another side of themselves. You are a complex dude, Dwayne. I have heard of this guy, but not that name for him. The media doesn't cover a lot of important news, I think. Thanks for the info.
Some of these people were born in tents and resided their whole life in them until they came to America. I think some still do. Dehumanizing someone by denying them the chance to ever improve is about the worst thing you can do.
I agree with you and Mr. Rockefeller. You're a good man.
Thanks, but I wouldn't say all that. Lots of people do a lot more to oppose this villain than I do, I'm barely not making it worse.
Barely not making it worse. I like that. It's a good philosophy I think.
Hey, a doctor's first instruction is "First, do no harm." --- I think that speaks for itself. I hope I can say as much at the end of every day... not that I have any power, but everyone has the ability to do harm somehow, and often those who intend to good are found on the "path to hell" paved by good intentions.
I still say you are a good man, Mr. D. And RG, you are a good woman; Flannery O'Connor wrote a whole short story collection (10 in all) on what makes a good man/woman in A Good Man Is Hard To Find -- and so they are.
Well, thank you. But lets aim a little higher than bnmiw.
Ok; as in "A man's aim should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" :)