jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeApril 28, 2014 - 9:17pm
Three thousand, four hundred, and one.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!April 28, 2014 - 9:43pm
..wishes out at sea?
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeApril 28, 2014 - 9:59pm
... posts on the thread. +2.
Grigori Black
from US is reading Radium Girls by Amanda GowinApril 29, 2014 - 12:20am
@justwords--
I'd have to agree with you. I don't think of myself as cynical, more of a realist. The only problem I see is that I tend to identify with weird concepts/characters.
Ernst Jugen (Character in the Liam Neeson movie unknown) had a quote that truly resonated with me on a fundamental level: "In the Stasi, we had a basic principle: ask enough questions and a man who is lying will eventually change his story. But the man who tells the truth cannot change his, however unlikely his story sounds."
It was a good summary of what experience had taught me up to that point.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedApril 29, 2014 - 2:08am
That is one of those things that sounds true, but I don't think is.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyApril 29, 2014 - 7:51am
@Grigori--
Well, I wouldn't call the truth weird, and you seem to identify with that. :)
Pay no attention to Dwayne. He'd argue with a sign post.
Had a bad night; intense storms in my neighborhood. I'm going to take a nap.
Cheers!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedApril 29, 2014 - 10:13am
If you don't think a person who is telling the truth can be badgered into changing his story, not sure what to tell you besides 'good luck'.
Grigori Black
from US is reading Radium Girls by Amanda GowinApril 29, 2014 - 12:06pm
Can someone be coerced into lying? Or 'led' to a specific conclusion? Absolutely.
But a common interrogation technique is asking the same question multiple ways and observing how consistently a subject answers the question. People who are bad at lying will trip themselves up on details. Is this 100% foolproof? Of course not. It's simply a method, a useful tool for filtering information.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedApril 29, 2014 - 2:58pm
Which is a lot more reasonable than the East German secret police's outlook quoted above.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyApril 29, 2014 - 4:59pm
True that. I'd rather be intensely questioned than waterboarded. I once thought Germans came up with that, but I think the Chinese did? Or am I thinking about crucifixtion?
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedApril 29, 2014 - 9:07pm
It was all me. My bad, sorry.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyApril 30, 2014 - 12:24pm
You're such a creative guy!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedApril 30, 2014 - 2:41pm
I try.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 1, 2014 - 6:54am
You are reliable, if unpredictable.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 1, 2014 - 7:47pm
I get that a lot. No joke.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 1, 2014 - 8:59pm
Damn. Here I thought I was being original. You just keep popping my ballons, D.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 1, 2014 - 9:00pm
Wait.... balloons. can't spell any more either.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 1, 2014 - 11:06pm
Wait, aren't you married? Stop flirting.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 2, 2014 - 4:03am
Fliting and marriage go together like ...
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 2, 2014 - 8:26am
... lawyers and divorce? And no Dwayne.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 2, 2014 - 2:50pm
...love triangle, murder and a novel.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 2, 2014 - 4:53pm
Hey, RG, that's 3!
Kentucky Derby (140th year), funky big hats, and mint juleps!
California Chrome is the favorite, but I'm going to pull for Vicar's In Trouble--and Napravnik, first female jockey to ride in Kentucky's premier race (bad odds so far: 20-1). Wicked Strong could be a serious contender, in spite of the bad starting position (19).
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 2, 2014 - 10:22pm
Are we still talking about the first female to do stuff?
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 2, 2014 - 11:02pm
I suppose Eve was the first female to do stuff?
Mint juleps - oohhh, I have never tried one, but they sound like something I would like.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 2, 2014 - 11:33pm
@Dwayne---
Of course. You male types have had a stranglehold on Everything since Eve had to take all the blame and Adam later felt like a shit... which he was. Please. I would Love for all men to go through one month as an adult female and try to keep up!
@RG ---
Yes! She questioned the biggest authority! Adam was a wimp and a tattletale twit. Eve was curious, and she was smart.
I don't know about "stuff"; allegorically she was the first "human" female to have a good time in the sack, or I guess in their case, leaves or whatever. Depending on which Jewish rabbi you talk to, that whole story wasn't about a "fallen" or bad woman taking advantage of a man... what a crock! (My religious guys, the Catholic priests et al., made Eve a whore. In the RC women are either virgins or whores.-- oops, sorry. I've been in my cups tonite [sheepish grin]. I'm a lapsed RC can't you tell?)
Ok, woman to woman, Mint Juleps are sweet but they will stab you in the back when you aren't looking if you drink more than one. They are traditionally made from American whiskey--Early Times --- or a really sweet bourbon (yuck). I'm a Scotch drinker and I prefer Dewar's w/water no ice; but Jameson's Irish is pretty tasty too. You have to try a Kentucky Mint Julep at least once; it's a great little party drink, and the ONLY drink on our Derby Day. :)
Happy weekend! (ps I live in the state that invented stock car racing; the Talladega, AL, race is the offspring of that kind of racing,which is also held weekend. Lots of wrecks, really fast driving (this type of racing is directly descended from the Prohibition Days when Southerners ran 'shine (and they still do), and tricked out their American cars from the thirties to outrun the "G-men"-- government guys. It's now a respectable racing venue, thanks to the Yankees and Mid-Westerners and even the folks out West having an enthusiasm for our bad boys racing souped-up cars. And people make bets on the timing of the tire/oil changing/fuel fill-up/ driver water fill-up action in the pits.. amazing what people will bet on.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 3, 2014 - 2:07am
@RG - I would imagine so.
Part of me wants to get to Louisville and just sell something, make a grand or two. I doubt you have the right stuff in Austrila, I think you have a different breeds of mint there.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 2, 2014 - 11:54pm
Wow JW - a comprehensive post. I am not actually religious at all, I would describe myself as athiest.
I love your take on Eve though. I enjoy a drop of scotch too, not the sweet stuff though.
Here in Tassie we have a few distillaries making scotch, they have even beaten some of the Scottish ones in competitions.As is the way with anything made in your own State, it is not cheap though.
Your state sounds very exciting and fast paced. Happy weekend to you too!
Does being in your cups mean you have been drinking? I am not familiar with that term.
Dwayne - different breeds of mint - really? Hmmm. Next time I go to the big Island I will find a bar that can make me a mint julep.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 3, 2014 - 2:46am
@Justwords - Sorry, you posted while I was writing my reply. Maybe you write way faster than I do.
Without a religious debate, and assuming we are discussing the Christain Bible's depiction, everyone involved got literal curses from God; Adam, Eve, the serpent, and everyone descended from them. I've never heard of a curse from God counting as someone else getting all the blame. I understand your goal was a point regarding of male and female interaction, but that isn't really done with inaccurate statements.
Sweet bourbon? Gross. But yes, bourbon drinks will cut you so bad, you'll wish they hadn't cut you so bad.
@RG - In my cups does mean drinking, although I think that is a British saying.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 3, 2014 - 8:30pm
@Dwayne:
All my dad's people are (or were) Irish; my grandmother was first generation born here. I've heard "in my cups" all my life; guess the Irish picked it up when the Brits took over the country.
About the Garden story: it was written as an allegory by the Jewish people; it was never meant to be taken literally. They of course had the original copy (the Torah). Since it was written and rewritten many times afterwards when the Christians came along and there were many arguments as to what first the RC bunch and then the Protestants wanted to keep (the canon, so to speak) and which books were inspired by God, I feel okay in saying that it can be and it continues to be up for discussion; you can't tell me that we have the definitive original translation, plus who knows what the archeologists will eventually dig up? There were many other books burned as heresy; one man's heresy is another man's true. But I tend to be a liberal on these matters. I do apologize for going off on a rant---it was the Devil in my cups. :)
Interesting about the mint...
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 4, 2014 - 2:13am
That wonders over into a religious debate, so no.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 4, 2014 - 2:44pm
Okay. We'll just disagree.
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 4, 2014 - 3:24pm
I have 4 morework days (starting tomorrow) and then I will be on 8 weeks long service leave. This thrills me.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 4, 2014 - 5:05pm
YAY!!! Are you traveling anywhere? Hope you have a terrific time!
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 4, 2014 - 6:20pm
What is service leave?
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 4, 2014 - 7:24pm
@Dwayne- it is Long Service Leave, because I have worked at the same health service (I'm a nurse, it's a public hospital, therefore government run - Medicare, like what Obama is trying to introduce, we have mostly free healthcare for all) for 10 years they give me 12 extra paid weeks of leave for being loyal. You can take them in any way you want - all at once, one at a time and so on. So I am saving 4 weeks for next year to add on to my normal holidays.
@jw - I am going volunteering in Vietnam for 2 weeks at an orphanage / nursing home for people affected from agent orange in the war. Other than that I want to hang at home because it feels like I am not home that often. Get a vege patch read, stuff like that, pottering around really.
justwords
from suburb of Birmingham, AL is reading The Tomb, F. Paul Wilson; A Long Way Down, Nick HornbyMay 4, 2014 - 7:56pm
Wow, now I feel like a slug. Good on you for helping those folks; God knows my fellow Americans should be in the vanguard of that action. That's pretty amazing.
It's neat that you can carry over to next year (?) your holiday weeks. Everyone here I've ever worked for only let you carry over sick time (and I've always been a salaried worker - not wage), no matter what your seniority is (except of course for the big guys at the top).
What kind of veggies can you grow? Which coast are you on? Oh, crap never mind (too nosy, yes!!)--- just curious--makes a difference here in trade winds, weather, soil, etc., as to what crops/plants/trees/flowers etc. will thrive or die. In my state, even 50-75 miles can make a difference.
Ok, keep us posted on your progress on any lit you're writing, and enjoy your (I'm sure) well-deserved time off! :)
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 4, 2014 - 8:07pm
So paid time off?
Renae Gee
from Australia is reading All the words!May 4, 2014 - 8:34pm
Yep Dwayne - paid time off.
JW - I'll get back to you.
Dwayne
from Cincinnati, Ohio (suburbs) is reading books that rotate to often to keep this updatedMay 4, 2014 - 8:50pm
I'm growing strawberries, squash, some herb I forgot, corn, cantaloupe (American slang version), cucumbers, green beans, blueberries, onions, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, watermelon, eggplant, peppers, pumpkins, and potatoes.
jyh
from VA is reading whatever he feels likeMay 4, 2014 - 9:02pm
Three thousand, four hundred, and one.
..wishes out at sea?
... posts on the thread. +2.
@justwords--
I'd have to agree with you. I don't think of myself as cynical, more of a realist. The only problem I see is that I tend to identify with weird concepts/characters.
Ernst Jugen (Character in the Liam Neeson movie unknown) had a quote that truly resonated with me on a fundamental level: "In the Stasi, we had a basic principle: ask enough questions and a man who is lying will eventually change his story. But the man who tells the truth cannot change his, however unlikely his story sounds."
It was a good summary of what experience had taught me up to that point.
That is one of those things that sounds true, but I don't think is.
@Grigori--
Well, I wouldn't call the truth weird, and you seem to identify with that. :)
Pay no attention to Dwayne. He'd argue with a sign post.
Had a bad night; intense storms in my neighborhood. I'm going to take a nap.
Cheers!
If you don't think a person who is telling the truth can be badgered into changing his story, not sure what to tell you besides 'good luck'.
Can someone be coerced into lying? Or 'led' to a specific conclusion? Absolutely.
But a common interrogation technique is asking the same question multiple ways and observing how consistently a subject answers the question. People who are bad at lying will trip themselves up on details. Is this 100% foolproof? Of course not. It's simply a method, a useful tool for filtering information.
Which is a lot more reasonable than the East German secret police's outlook quoted above.
True that. I'd rather be intensely questioned than waterboarded. I once thought Germans came up with that, but I think the Chinese did? Or am I thinking about crucifixtion?
It was all me. My bad, sorry.
You're such a creative guy!
I try.
You are reliable, if unpredictable.
I get that a lot. No joke.
Damn. Here I thought I was being original. You just keep popping my ballons, D.
Wait.... balloons. can't spell any more either.
Wait, aren't you married? Stop flirting.
Fliting and marriage go together like ...
... lawyers and divorce? And no Dwayne.
...love triangle, murder and a novel.
Hey, RG, that's 3!
Kentucky Derby (140th year), funky big hats, and mint juleps!
California Chrome is the favorite, but I'm going to pull for Vicar's In Trouble--and Napravnik, first female jockey to ride in Kentucky's premier race (bad odds so far: 20-1). Wicked Strong could be a serious contender, in spite of the bad starting position (19).
Are we still talking about the first female to do stuff?
I suppose Eve was the first female to do stuff?
Mint juleps - oohhh, I have never tried one, but they sound like something I would like.
@Dwayne---
Of course. You male types have had a stranglehold on Everything since Eve had to take all the blame and Adam later felt like a shit... which he was. Please. I would Love for all men to go through one month as an adult female and try to keep up!
@RG ---
Yes! She questioned the biggest authority! Adam was a wimp and a tattletale twit. Eve was curious, and she was smart.
I don't know about "stuff"; allegorically she was the first "human" female to have a good time in the sack, or I guess in their case, leaves or whatever. Depending on which Jewish rabbi you talk to, that whole story wasn't about a "fallen" or bad woman taking advantage of a man... what a crock! (My religious guys, the Catholic priests et al., made Eve a whore. In the RC women are either virgins or whores.-- oops, sorry. I've been in my cups tonite [sheepish grin]. I'm a lapsed RC can't you tell?)
Ok, woman to woman, Mint Juleps are sweet but they will stab you in the back when you aren't looking if you drink more than one. They are traditionally made from American whiskey--Early Times --- or a really sweet bourbon (yuck). I'm a Scotch drinker and I prefer Dewar's w/water no ice; but Jameson's Irish is pretty tasty too. You have to try a Kentucky Mint Julep at least once; it's a great little party drink, and the ONLY drink on our Derby Day. :)
Happy weekend! (ps I live in the state that invented stock car racing; the Talladega, AL, race is the offspring of that kind of racing,which is also held weekend. Lots of wrecks, really fast driving (this type of racing is directly descended from the Prohibition Days when Southerners ran 'shine (and they still do), and tricked out their American cars from the thirties to outrun the "G-men"-- government guys. It's now a respectable racing venue, thanks to the Yankees and Mid-Westerners and even the folks out West having an enthusiasm for our bad boys racing souped-up cars. And people make bets on the timing of the tire/oil changing/fuel fill-up/ driver water fill-up action in the pits.. amazing what people will bet on.
@RG - I would imagine so.
Part of me wants to get to Louisville and just sell something, make a grand or two. I doubt you have the right stuff in Austrila, I think you have a different breeds of mint there.
Wow JW - a comprehensive post. I am not actually religious at all, I would describe myself as athiest.
I love your take on Eve though. I enjoy a drop of scotch too, not the sweet stuff though.
Here in Tassie we have a few distillaries making scotch, they have even beaten some of the Scottish ones in competitions.As is the way with anything made in your own State, it is not cheap though.
Your state sounds very exciting and fast paced. Happy weekend to you too!
Does being in your cups mean you have been drinking? I am not familiar with that term.
Dwayne - different breeds of mint - really? Hmmm. Next time I go to the big Island I will find a bar that can make me a mint julep.
@Justwords - Sorry, you posted while I was writing my reply. Maybe you write way faster than I do.
Without a religious debate, and assuming we are discussing the Christain Bible's depiction, everyone involved got literal curses from God; Adam, Eve, the serpent, and everyone descended from them. I've never heard of a curse from God counting as someone else getting all the blame. I understand your goal was a point regarding of male and female interaction, but that isn't really done with inaccurate statements.
It is hard enough to be a decent man or woman, without switching. Funny though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i96rRCzQAc
Sweet bourbon? Gross. But yes, bourbon drinks will cut you so bad, you'll wish they hadn't cut you so bad.
@RG - In my cups does mean drinking, although I think that is a British saying.
@Dwayne:
All my dad's people are (or were) Irish; my grandmother was first generation born here. I've heard "in my cups" all my life; guess the Irish picked it up when the Brits took over the country.
About the Garden story: it was written as an allegory by the Jewish people; it was never meant to be taken literally. They of course had the original copy (the Torah). Since it was written and rewritten many times afterwards when the Christians came along and there were many arguments as to what first the RC bunch and then the Protestants wanted to keep (the canon, so to speak) and which books were inspired by God, I feel okay in saying that it can be and it continues to be up for discussion; you can't tell me that we have the definitive original translation, plus who knows what the archeologists will eventually dig up? There were many other books burned as heresy; one man's heresy is another man's true. But I tend to be a liberal on these matters. I do apologize for going off on a rant---it was the Devil in my cups. :)
Interesting about the mint...
That wonders over into a religious debate, so no.
Okay. We'll just disagree.
I have 4 morework days (starting tomorrow) and then I will be on 8 weeks long service leave. This thrills me.
YAY!!! Are you traveling anywhere? Hope you have a terrific time!
What is service leave?
@Dwayne- it is Long Service Leave, because I have worked at the same health service (I'm a nurse, it's a public hospital, therefore government run - Medicare, like what Obama is trying to introduce, we have mostly free healthcare for all) for 10 years they give me 12 extra paid weeks of leave for being loyal. You can take them in any way you want - all at once, one at a time and so on. So I am saving 4 weeks for next year to add on to my normal holidays.
@jw - I am going volunteering in Vietnam for 2 weeks at an orphanage / nursing home for people affected from agent orange in the war. Other than that I want to hang at home because it feels like I am not home that often. Get a vege patch read, stuff like that, pottering around really.
Wow, now I feel like a slug. Good on you for helping those folks; God knows my fellow Americans should be in the vanguard of that action. That's pretty amazing.
It's neat that you can carry over to next year (?) your holiday weeks. Everyone here I've ever worked for only let you carry over sick time (and I've always been a salaried worker - not wage), no matter what your seniority is (except of course for the big guys at the top).
What kind of veggies can you grow? Which coast are you on? Oh, crap never mind (too nosy, yes!!)--- just curious--makes a difference here in trade winds, weather, soil, etc., as to what crops/plants/trees/flowers etc. will thrive or die. In my state, even 50-75 miles can make a difference.
Ok, keep us posted on your progress on any lit you're writing, and enjoy your (I'm sure) well-deserved time off! :)
So paid time off?
Yep Dwayne - paid time off.
JW - I'll get back to you.
I'm growing strawberries, squash, some herb I forgot, corn, cantaloupe (American slang version), cucumbers, green beans, blueberries, onions, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, watermelon, eggplant, peppers, pumpkins, and potatoes.
People might like this:
http://thequietus.com/articles/15159-chuck-palahniuk-interview-doomed
Oh eeeeewwww JYH- I just read Guts - I had to just keep reading, even when I knew. Thanks for the link, such a pleasure to be grossed out.
@JW Right down south- I'm on the little Island at the bottom. Last stop before Antartica. We grow pretty much the same as Dwayne.
@Dwayne - so productive.
I think I might be a little manic.
Embrace the mania!
"Tinku"
What about it?
Embrace the mania!
Too busy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Yeah, but it doesn't make him kill his family, that was the evil spirits.
Ha ha - you crack me up. His rice crispies made him do it.